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    A belief in a devil or personal, evil spirits is frowned upon these days or should we say demonized ? It's one of the first things that anti-religious people will attack.
    True. Sadly, a lot of Christians are embarrassed to mention a personal devil, even many of the ones who would agree that God is not the cause of evil in the world. They only mention "sin" and "evil" as impersonal forces that come about by the free will of man. Certainly the evil in this world is due to the abuse of man's free-will but that is far from the whole story as the Bible teaches that they are under the sway (control) of the evil one (1 John 5:18-19).
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    But Gee whiz, I would think that if God is going to have a dialogue with someone that He would at least talk about Satan's role in evil even if He doesn't talk about His promises.

    It's not the real biblical God it's a make believe 'god' made up in the image of the writer ... a false god

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    It's not the real biblical God it's a make believe 'god' made up in the image of the writer ... a false god
    The theological flaws makes me wonder about the testimonies of being blessed by it and of inner healing. Does God use an imperfect vessel because of its good sides or is it all emotional ? I think declaring it "a false god" is going a bit far. Maybe "a perverted version of the real one" would do. My experience with talking to Muslims is that the generic kind usually believes in what I would call God and we have something in common there, whereas the extreme Quran minded type doesn't necessarily, he may simply believe in a god called Allah. This doesn't necessarily follow theologically, it has more to do with what people relate to on a personal level than what they hold to in terms of doctrine.

    Did you see the movie in question, Cardinal TT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I haven't seen the movie or read the book so I never wanted to be critical one way or the other but some of what I have been told about it bothered me as a Word-Faith guy:

    1. I was told that there is no reference to Satan's part concerning the evil in the world.

    True....the emphasis is solely on man's independent choices apart from God...in one sense this is true as Satan has no power to control anyone who is submitted and dependent on God through faith.
    2. No acknowledgement of the divine protection that God promises us and that we can pray concerning our children.

    True...but it was made clear through the conversations that God was not the cause of what happened to Missy....but again the message is dealing with a person in tragedy....not the theology of divine protection...fact is that concept in the storyline of a past tragedy would have only heaped more guilt on people suffering with great loss...
    You and Quest can confirm or deny that this is missing from the movie. But Gee whiz, I would think that if God is going to have a dialogue with someone that He would at least talk about Satan's role in evil even if He doesn't talk about His promises.
    I understand the 'satan in the conversation' issue but I still would ask those concerned about that WHO did God leave in dominion of the earth? Who is ultimately responsible? And HOW does our relationship with Christ affect any relationship with Satan?

    Story..could God blame Satan for Missy's death? Could he blame Mack? Could He blame Mack's daughter...? Blame was not the message...redemption and healing was...at that point blame was irrelevant...I will say that at the end God agreed with Mack that the killer deserved to be punished...but reminded Mack he was not the judge....That He, the Father was and that HE wanted to redeem the killer....at the end Mack acquired the heart of the Father, forgiven and desiring redemption for the killer....in the end, (book here) Mack was HEALED and able to love his enemy...

    For those who reject this and renounce it, IMHO they are renouncing one of the most powerful HUMAN stories of the miracle healing power of God to enable the father of a murdered child to literally forgiven and love he one who killed his own child....And frankly I believe some who read or saw it take issue with that because they related to Mack's desire for justice and revenge...and want a God who would agree with them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan View Post
    I haven't seen it (I haven't seen any movie in a long time) but my mother saw it and was very moved by it. I don't know if she read the book. So... guess I won't be contributing to the discussion much.... so..... bye I guess!
    Actually yes you are...you are sharing how people's lives are being changed by the message.....People are touched and in cases healed and their relationship with the Lord far better....thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Actually yes you are...you are sharing how people's lives are being changed by the message.....People are touched and in cases healed and their relationship with the Lord far better....thanks
    Someone's being moved by something does not necessarily imply that they have changed and if they have it could be for the worse. Many people were moved by Beyonce's recent goddess performance and would render it as 100 percent positive but we know it isn't that simple.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    A belief in a devil or personal, evil spirits is frowned upon these days or should we say demonized ? It's one of the first things that anti-religious people will attack.
    I believe in fallen angels, Satan.....but I sway far more to the angle of the authority of the believer....Satan has power and people in his regime but the truth is being presented everyday to those who are seeking the truth....and for those who truly want it..it will be found...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I believe in fallen angels, Satan.....but I sway far more to the angle of the authority of the believer....Satan has power and people in his regime but the truth is being presented everyday to those who are seeking the truth....and for those who truly want it..it will be found...
    My point is that it costs a lot less to make a movie about God and never mention the devil. The result will also be more pleasing to the not so Bible oriented church goer. Does the movie ever mention Jesus or is it just God the Father/Mother/whatever ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The theological flaws makes me wonder about the testimonies of being blessed by it and of inner healing. Does God use an imperfect vessel because of its good sides or is it all emotional ? I think declaring it "a false god" is going a bit far. Maybe "a perverted version of the real one" would do. My experience with talking to Muslims is that the generic kind usually believes in what I would call God and we have something in common there, whereas the extreme Quran minded type doesn't necessarily, he may simply believe in a god called Allah. This doesn't necessarily follow theologically, it has more to do with what people relate to on a personal level than what they hold to in terms of doctrine.

    Did you see the movie in question, Cardinal TT ?
    Does God use imperfect vessels?

    Comparing Islam to a Christian with imperfect theology is apples and oranges. The fundamentals of our faith is Jesus Christ and Him crucified so we have a restored relationship with our Father....this theology is clear in both the book and the movie...

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    The general world barely believes in God. It would be literary or movie suicide to inject a devil in there somewhere. That would also open up a theological can of worms.

    Notice in life when someone dies a high number of non Christians say their loved one went to Heaven. To me it's even worse how many say their loved one became an angel. You never hear the unchurched say a loved one went to hell. You may hear the unchurched tell someone to go there but I doubt they really believe in it.

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