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    One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ask: How is it that so many of Yhvh's people were caught up in the Holocaust? Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to protect His chosen people?

    To find an answer to that question one need look no further than Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the Jews, as a people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant that their ancestors agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

    A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the scripture references in the above paragraph.

    There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses. Anybody who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His own people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize they're reading a synopsis of the Jews' history.

    You know; the status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Yhvh's people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were given of His likes and dislikes.

    Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

    Q: Is the world supposed to believe it was the Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to Frankensteinian medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions?

    A: If the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God is binding; then yes; the Jews, as a people, are definitely at fault for what happened to them. There's really no mystery to this: it's all laid out in black and white at Lev 26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69.

    Q: God caused an event whose collateral damage led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?

    A: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He stood by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken in it. In other words: the essential thing that Yhvh's people brought upon themselves was the loss of God's providence.

    The covenant Yhvh's people agreed upon with God obligates Him to protect them from misfortune when they're compliant with it; but the same covenant also obligates God to throw them to the wolves when they're not compliant with it. I think God took advantage of Hitler's agenda as an opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His people to the wolves.

    Supposing we're right; that there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?

    It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's accusation? "Israel has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

    See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

    And then there's this incident:

    2Sam 21:1 . . Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David sought the presence of the Lord. And the Lord said: It is for Saul and his bloody house, because he put the Gibeonites to death.

    Joshua agreed to a non-aggression pact with the Gibeonites during the conquest of Canaan (Josh 9:3-16). Saul, when king, dishonored the pact. He apparently got away with it; but not his countrymen, no; God slammed them for what Saul did; and that posthumously.

    In another Old Testament incident; God lowered the boom on 70,000 Jews. What did they do to deserve it? Absolutely nothing. The insubordination of just one Jewish man caused their deaths. King David breached the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God by taking an unwarranted census. As a result; those 70,000 Jews went to their deaths through no fault of their own; it was all on David.

    I can't imagine what just one Jew would have to do in order to bring about the deaths of six million of his fellows; but if a whole bunch of them throughout the world were breaching the covenant all at the same time, I guess that could become a sort of force-multiplier.

    That's pretty scary when you think about it because more than fifty percent of the Jews living in the State of Israel right now today are hiloni (secular). In my estimation, that's easily enough insubordinate Jews all in one place for God to justify bringing down the whole country; and then if you combine those with the number of insubordinate Jews around the rest of the world, including the USA; now you can appreciate just how insecure Israel's future really is.

    Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to breaches committed by generations preceding them.

    Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Yhvh, Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

    That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to honor it lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that sins have a way of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the snowball is so big that it triggers an act of God; which is really scary because it tells me that it's not impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the Jews of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that according to Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

    Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews' own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear warheads instead of high explosives; and Jacob's people will be poisoned to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

    The upside to the Holocaust is its value as historical evidence for the existence of the covenant's God. It is also valuable as historical evidence that the covenant was still in force for Yhvh's people as recent as the middle of the last century. True; the covenant is obsolete where Christians are concerned; but that old dog can still bark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    I can't imagine what just one Jew would have to do in order to bring about the deaths of six million of his fellows....
    I Can Imagine What Just One Jew

    "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:" Romans 11:26

    Will Do To Save All His Fellow Jews

    "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." Hebrews 8:10-12

    Maranatha~!

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