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    Israel and sheep and goats parable

    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...-second-coming

    Saw this on Charisma and have to disagree with the writer.

    I support Israel but to stretch this scripture to fit some sort of sheep and goat analogy is weird

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    What do you make of this ?

    Romans 9:1*I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,*2*that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.*3*For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen[a]*according to the flesh,*4*who are Israelites, to whom*pertain*the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service*of God,*and the promises;*5*of whom*are*the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ*came,*who is over all,*the*eternally blessed God. Amen
    6*But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they*are*not all Israel who*are*of Israel,*
    7*nor*are they*all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but,*“In Isaac your seed shall be called.”
    8*That is, those who*are*the children of the flesh, these*are*not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed

    Paul differentiates between Jews who believe like Abraham and Jews who are merely so according to the flesh. Modern Israel is a fairly secular country, many are atheists and few could be called believers. God does of course have plans for individual nations including Israel and for various groups of people but the modern state of Israel doesnt necessarily represent sincerely believing Jews to any large degree.

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    I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15

    On Israel

    See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

    If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

    Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
    Deuteronomy 32:39-43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Paul differentiates between Jews who believe like Abraham and Jews who are merely so according to the flesh. Modern Israel is a fairly secular country, many are atheists and few could be called believers. God does of course have plans for individual nations including Israel and for various groups of people but the modern state of Israel doesnt necessarily represent sincerely believing Jews to any large degree.
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    And Beloved, What Do You Think


    But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
    Jeremiah 31:33-36

    Of Dear Brother Paul

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
    Romans 11:25-29

    Now~!

    For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Romans 11:15

    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

    Maranatha~!

    I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15

    Love, Your Brother Joe

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