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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    "Blame God"? NEVER.

    "Calvinists" don't "blame God", they Trust Him; they are Secure in Him; they are Safe with Him; they are Protected by Him. They honour Him for who He is.
    As the songs go, "On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand" and "Leaning, leaning, Safe and secure from all alarms"

    As Spurgeon said, "we sleep peacefully and walk strong"

    As J I Packer said, "we have no fear, we walk on solid ground"

    These are the attributes of our God, what He is, what He always was, and what He always will be. "Responsible" is NOT one of them.

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    And this is how man is Nikos.

    that is why we don't blame God. Because we know that it is we that are evil. God is Holy.

    P.S. This verse illustrates how secure we know we are and how secure we'd love others to realise they are.
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    You did know that was a joke, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    You did know that was a joke, right?
    But if you want to take it seriously, then please note that Foreknowledge is the fist link. Calvinist's cannot seem to separate God's foreknowledge from His Control.

    God's foreknowledge allows Him to know who is going to repent and be saved. He therefore acts accordingly with His divine providence.

    Calvinist teaching says that God Predestines who will be saved. They don't have a choice in the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    You did know that was a joke, right?
    But it wasn't.

    Added: If the comment had come in the middle of some banter about things theological I might agree. But it was out of context and an outright lie, so no, based on other things Nikos has said, I don't see it as a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    But if you want to take it seriously, then please note that Foreknowledge is the fist link. Calvinist's cannot seem to separate God's foreknowledge from His Control.
    One of the issues here is what people mean by "control" because it can, to some, have negative connotations. If a person has been dominated be a controlling person then when someone says "God is in control" that's understood badly. It's similar to saying to someone who's had a lousy father that "God is our Father". They relate the words to their experience, but this is not how we are to understand Scripture.

    One author writes, How is "control" defined? Several words come to mind: authority; subjection; sovereignty; power; dominance; restraint. [link] When we speak of God being in control we are not saying "controlling" or "micromanaging" as some people suggest. He doesn't need to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    God's foreknowledge allows Him to know who is going to repent and be saved. He therefore acts accordingly with His divine providence.
    That statement degrades the concept of God's omniscience and/or omnipotence bringing Him down to the level of man. It says that either God didn't know what would happen in His creation until He created it, or He could only create it in one particular way. That is not MY God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Calvinist teaching says that God Predestines who will be saved. They don't have a choice in the matter.
    That's the pivot point isn't it? "Choice". Yes, the Bible teaches that God has predestined who will be saved, it's a major theme of the Bible. It also teaches why. And actually there is a choice. We are commanded to repent and believe but because we are sinners with a heart of stone we always choose to rebel instead. So God as a gift gives us a new heart, a heart of flesh, and then we choose to believe. People don't like that though because they want to be "in control". This image I came across today is relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    But it wasn't.

    Added: If the comment had come in the middle of some banter about things theological I might agree. But it was out of context and an outright lie, so no, based on other things Nikos has said, I don't see it as a joke.
    You didn't get my post/reply, either. I was referring to the OP meme that Fuego posted. It really was a good and timely post with a humorous twist. But nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    You didn't get my post/reply, either. I was referring to the OP meme that Fuego posted. It really was a good and timely post with a humorous twist. But nevermind.
    My bad.

    This then is a good example of why people misunderstand the Bible. Nikos said A, I quoted A and responded with B and quoted B and responded saying "that". You meant the OP. I took it to mean Niko's A.

    It's why we need teachers. Doctrinally sound teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    But it wasn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    You didn't get my post/reply, either. I was referring to the OP meme that Fuego posted. It really was a good and timely post with a humorous twist. But nevermind.
    Yep, it was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Yep, it was a joke.
    Yes, your "it", i.e. the OP was a joke. My "it", i.e. Niko's post, imo, wasn't.

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