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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    "reformed" and "calvinist" are pretty much synonymous.. there are differences and some subgroups though.

    It comes to a basic difference in how we view the sovereignty of God.

    Reformed folks are monergistic instead of synergistic.

    there are other differences, but that's the main one.
    I kinda see Reformed and Calvinist as meaning to be inline with the early Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, where Calvin gets a special reference as the first major systemitizer and definer of the Reformation movements core beliefs.

    What I get from being in Reformed theology chat sites is that they typically regard themselves as the primary guardians of the faith, keeping a connection and lineage from now back to the Reformation.

    I was a pretty fundie calvinist, until I learned that the long bearded one had some challengeable points.

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    I never, and don't really have a desire to, read Calvin.
    All my discussions were strictly Biblical based.

    I know good people disagree on doctrine so I don't get crazy when friends think differently than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I never, and don't really have a desire to, read Calvin.
    All my discussions were strictly Biblical based.

    I know good people disagree on doctrine so I don't get crazy when friends think differently than I do.
    Good points. Keep the Bible central and realize that different levels and angles of understanding are possible.

    All too often, disagreement is more about degrees. Discussions that have a more collaborative than competitive spirit are more ftuitful. We are all learning.

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    And in the end, I will not be asked WHAT I know, but WHO I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I kinda see Reformed and Calvinist as meaning to be inline with the early Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, where Calvin gets a special reference as the first major systemitizer and definer of the Reformation movements core beliefs.

    What I get from being in Reformed theology chat sites is that they typically regard themselves as the primary guardians of the faith, keeping a connection and lineage from now back to the Reformation.

    I was a pretty fundie calvinist, until I learned that the long bearded one had some challengeable points.
    In my experience from discussing with hundreds of Calvinists, Reformed theology and Calvinism are typically used interchangeably and they are thought to be monergistic whereas Arminian theology is thought to be synergistic, like the following article states :

    In brief, monergism (often associated with Reformed theology or Calvinism) teaches salvation is the work of God alone. When the Holy Spirit regenerates and saves a person, He does so independent of any cooperation from a person's unregenerate human nature. Thus, God receives all the glory and credit for a person's salvation.

    By contrast, synergism (most times associated with Arminianism) asserts salvation requires cooperation between God and the individual. There are various views within synergism with respect to how much God must do before a person responds to the gospel, but the overall belief is that an individual can resist God's call to salvation and, in effect, has the final say over his eternal destiny.


    https://www.compellingtruth.org/mone...synergism.html

    Femme seems to have her own thoughts about this, which makes it difficult to discuss the subject with her.

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    Why do Calvinists (according to the definition in the previous post) see themselves as Reformed ? It seems to have to do with how they view Luther, they tend to emphasize his Calvinistic/monergistic teachings and deemphasize his Arminian/synergistic teachings. Lutherans here in Norway, which is an old bastion of Lutheranism, tend to do the exact opposite and are almost exclusively synergists.

    When Luther is seen as a monergist and therefore basically a form of Calvinist, then the entire Reformation becomes monergistic and Calvin merely systemized what Luther began. Thus Calvinist and Reformed become synonymous and those who are Reformed are those who see themselves as in line with what the Reformation originally was about in the theological sense - according to them.

    Luther's follower Philip Melanchton was the one who started emphasizing Luther's synergistic teachings after Luther died and he gained the upper hand over Luther's more Calvinistic followers. Since the Norwegian Lutheran church is synergistic in its theology I suppose they could be termed Melanchtonites but this is a small theological point since it's basically where Lutheranism headed after Luther died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    In my experience from discussing with hundreds of Calvinists, Reformed theology and Calvinism are typically used interchangeably and they are thought to be monergistic whereas Arminian theology is thought to be synergistic, like the following article states :

    In brief, monergism (often associated with Reformed theology or Calvinism) teaches salvation is the work of God alone. When the Holy Spirit regenerates and saves a person, He does so independent of any cooperation from a person's unregenerate human nature. Thus, God receives all the glory and credit for a person's salvation.

    By contrast, synergism (most times associated with Arminianism) asserts salvation requires cooperation between God and the individual. There are various views within synergism with respect to how much God must do before a person responds to the gospel, but the overall belief is that an individual can resist God's call to salvation and, in effect, has the final say over his eternal destiny.


    https://www.compellingtruth.org/mone...synergism.html

    Femme seems to have her own thoughts about this, which makes it difficult to discuss the subject with her.
    I lurk regularly at a Baptist forum. This is mostly all they talk about when discussing Calvinistic teaching. I'm not sure I have ever heard them discuss that everything in one's life is predetermined (fatalism) only the process of election to salvation.

    Some are SBC and some are not.

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    Just had this thought. Why did Jesus weep for Jerusalem,... "will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation."

    Since they had no choice in the matter, why would tears be in order, since they must have not been the Elect anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Just had this thought. Why did Jesus weep for Jerusalem,... "will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation."

    Since they had no choice in the matter, why would tears be in order, since they must have not been the Elect anyway?
    That's a classic.

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    BOZEMAN, MT—Local mother Carrie Darling has been living with her 11-year-old son Ashton’s Calvinism for years now, and ever since his diagnosis she has never veered from her firm belief that his adoption of the theological framework was directly caused by the vaccines he received as a small child.

    “He wasn’t like this until he got those vaccines—after that, things started changing, and he quickly developed a deep conviction of God’s sovereignty over the process of salvation,” Darling told reporters Wednesday.

    “Out of nowhere he started disappearing into his room for hours at a time, poring over old books by dead white guys that he would secretly order on Amazon. It began harmlessly enough, with some Edwards, a little Bunyan, some sporadic bouts of Spurgeon—but we really grew worried when he started debating other first-graders on the doctrine of the two divine wills.”

    A trip to a local Wesleyan pastor who moonlights as a holistic doctor confirmed the Darling’s worst fears: little Ashton was indeed Calvinistic, complete with a desire to give God all the glory for His saving grace.

    “Think twice before you get your child vaccinated, especially if you come from an Arminian tradition,” the emotional mother said.








































    https://babylonbee.com/news/local-mo...ons-calvinism/


    The scripture teaches us the truth:


    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16




    Calvinism teaches:


    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever is predestined for salvation should not perish but have everlasting life. Calvinism 3:16





    The choice is your to believe scripture, or believe Calvinism.





    JLB

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