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    Elke Chen's latest blog post

    "God presides over the fate of all mankind"

    is taken from a book called "The Word appears in the flesh" published by "The Church of Almighty God"

    which is mentioned here :

    http://www.chinaramblings.com/archives/13343

    ""The Eastern Lightning cult was founded by Zhao Wei Shan in A Cheng in Hei Long Jiang province in 1989. Zhao used to be a member of a denomination called the Shouters. He later broke away with a group of people, and started a new sect called "Church of the Everlasting Foundation," calling himself "The Powerful One." Later on he joined with a woman named Deng in He Nan province. He began to call her "The Almighty God" – the female Christ in the flesh – and the name of the sect was at that time changed to "The Church of the True God." The last name they have adopted for themselves is "The Eastern Lightning" which was taken from Matthew 24:27 in the Bible. At the present time, they have penetrated over 20 provinces in China; they have over a million followers and are attacking and greatly damaging Christian house churches in China."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    "God presides over the fate of all mankind"

    is taken from a book called "The Word appears in the flesh" published by "The Church of Almighty God"

    which is mentioned here :

    http://www.chinaramblings.com/archives/13343

    "“The Eastern Lightning cult was founded by Zhao Wei Shan in A Cheng in Hei Long Jiang province in 1989. Zhao used to be a member of a denomination called the Shouters. He later broke away with a group of people, and started a new sect called “Church of the Everlasting Foundation,” calling himself “The Powerful One.” Later on he joined with a woman named Deng in He Nan province. He began to call her “The Almighty God” – the female Christ in the flesh – and the name of the sect was at that time changed to “The Church of the True God.” The last name they have adopted for themselves is “The Eastern Lightning” which was taken from Matthew 24:27 in the Bible. At the present time, they have penetrated over 20 provinces in China; they have over a million followers and are attacking and greatly damaging Christian house churches in China.”

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    This picture from her facebook page made me wonder what Rev 2:7 was supposed to refer to and especially about Elke's own comment to the picture so I started looking into it :

    https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...0470&source=48

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    http://math.ucr.edu/~zguan/ecult.htm

    "One of the books written by the EL is an “insider handbook,” instructing members how to ruin a church, gather information, win the trust of leaders, convert pastors, and even how to bring an entire congregation under the influence of EL. The book is divided into three chapters. Here is a summary of direct quotes from the EL handbook:

    1. Spying is making use of various connections and methods to gain access to the inner workings of churches, winning their trust and confidence, and understanding their structure and plans.
    2. Do not speak in such a way as to make others suspicious of you. Be sober and normal, leaving a good impression. Let proper and orderly patterns govern your speech, sleeping, and eating. Be well mannered, dress neatly and normally....
    3. You must have some basic knowledge of the Bible. Take special note on what Jesus said in the New Testament, the epistles of Paul, and passages in Revelation concerning saving grace....
    4. Know some of the church’s methods of training and indoctrination.
    5. Do not spy out these denominations: San Zi (Three-Self Church), Catholics, Dong Zhen (Eastern Orthodox), Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Beiliwang (Established King Church), Hongyi Liya (New Testament Church), etc... [Note: the last two groups mentioned are pseudo-Christian cults. Interestingly, the instruction to avoid spying out Three-Self and Catholic churches is contrary to reports from both organizations that the EL has infiltrated their midst and won many converts.]
    6. You should spy out the following: Those who believe in Jesus, pray to Jesus, who thirst for God’s revelation; Real believers who truly love God, those with no serious physical disability and a sane mind.
    7. How to get the most out of spying: (a) You must try our best not to let people know you are lying, even as we for the sake of our work speak not the truth. (b) During your first few times in a new church speak little and ask many questions. (c) Try to understand the situation, what they emphasize, so that your actions can fall in with theirs, and not raise objections to your presence. (d) Say what they want to hear. Be sincere in prayer, mention some moving, sad things, and ask for more blessings for their families and the church. (e) For those sheep more selfish, or those with families, observe their behavior and make use of their weak points to maintain contact. For example, oblige people if they want to take you as their mentor or confidant. (f) Some believe crying is important in churches, so you should also cry with sadness and bitterness, thus moving their hearts and winning their trust. (g) Others believe a Christian should be outwardly suffering, or persecuted. Therefore you should act with a greater degree of seriousness in order to satisfy such people. (h) Do not, at anytime, preach during this spy stage. Only share some personal experiences or short testimonies, so that people have a good impression of you.
    8. How to remove suspicion during spying: Many denominations do not swear oaths before God, so make sure you do not do so. When necessary, weep or kneel to pray, speak sincerely, cry as though it is from the heart and not faked.
    9. Bridge building occurs after you have laid a good network of contacts. You will then be able to change people’s perspectives, picking on ideas or thoughts which will easily disrupt God’s work, changing them one by one. In other words, the work of bridge building is to introduce your new teachings that will spark in them “interest,” “appetite,” and “a heart of desire.”

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    Evil, evil, evil...

    Made me think of this verse...



    Ephesians 4:14
    ...That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight (fraud, trickery) of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Now I understand why "she'd" (no telling who "she" is or even if it's a "she") just ask questions. It's part of the infiltration.

    Crazy stuff!!! I pray this person has a face to face encounter with the One True God.

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    It's yet another cult that claims to add revelation to the Bible and replace Jesus with a new Christ. It's sad when people miss the completed salvation that is in Jesus and instead try hard to be good enough according to the standards of the false messiah Yang Xiangbin.

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    I admit I suspected that....there was no other reason to join our group as it was obvious 'she' did not want to participate in discussions...similar to weber...agenda not relationship....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I admit I suspected that....there was no other reason to join our group as it was obvious 'she' did not want to participate in discussions...similar to weber...agenda not relationship....
    Sometimes people are slow to get along or have language problems. I thought some of the things she said sounded very religious but I wasn't sure what it amounted to.

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    Elke, have you ever on your own really looked into what Eastern Lightning believes? They deny the Christian faith and the authority of the Bible and in essence have created their own deity. Please take a little time to pray and do some research on them...here are a few excerpts on what they believe and do, the link has more details:


    The Beliefs

    Jesus Christ is a created being.
    The Trinity is a false doctrine.
    Jesus Christ did not complete His work on earth, so God sent a woman (Jesus' sister?) to complete His 6,000-year plan to save humanity.
    Because Jesus did not complete His work on earth, salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross is not effective in saving a person's soul.
    Jesus did not rise from the dead and will not return again.
    God has already returned to earth as a Chinese woman (Yang Xiangbin)
    The Bible is outdated and not authoritative.
    The Christian mission organization China For Jesus details some of the beliefs of Eastern Lightning here.

    The Methods

    The cult is known for using deception, coercion, entrapment, kidnapping, sex and violence to gain new converts. There are many reports about Eastern Lightning's acts of violence (here, here and here). One of its methods for getting access to many of the true Christian house churches in China is "Spying and Paving the Way" – a method of infiltrating orthodox churches...

    http://christianapologeticsalliance....ern-lightning/

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