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    The Moose and the Bear - Dream

    The Moose and the Bear
    Thursday morning 29-10-2015


    There seems to be 2 voices speaking about America’s future. One voice says America will experience great revival and not to listen to the doomsayers and negative words.
    The other voice says America will undergo terrible judgments and not to listen to the pillow prophets and false comforters.

    What is the truth....probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe they will both happen simultaneously as parts of America breaks out in revival and other parts judgement.

    My first desire is for revival but at the same time won’t dismiss the possibility that some form of judgment can also strike.

    I don’t know why God would give me such a dream as there is enough people in America who already are saying similar things. My heart is obviously first for my own nation and wanting to see a great visitation of God. Since America is the world’s leading nation, what happens to them will affect all the nations on earth so maybe that is why I received this dream

    Dream
    2 nights ago I had a dream where I was with my father and mother and there was a very large bear in our backyard. We don't have bears down here only killer koala bears

    My mother first fed this bear a piece of meat which he quickly devoured. My father then dragged a large living male moose with antlers towards the bear. He did this effortlessly and quickly, the moose was injured but still very much alive but had an open flesh wound in his underbelly. We don't have moose down here.

    The bear pounced on the moose and I assumed it would attack the open wound of the living moose and kill it and eat it starting at the underbelly. It looked like I was watching a documentary of a wild animal attacking.

    I was surprised when the bear grabbed the loose skin at the wound and peeled it back right up to the chest and exposed all the flesh. It did not start eating the flesh but was in a frenzy as it began ripping into the chest with its large claws and in the dream I just knew it wanted the 'heart'. I found myself thinking why not eat the flesh at the underbelly, why do you want the heart so desperately.

    As it clawed and ripped at the chest out came many horrible black insects and bugs. It was very ugly to behold and I was again wondering 'why are there all these black insects there'. The bear finally ripped out the heart covered in bugs and swallowed it whole and the moose finally died
    The bear was actually content once it ate the heart and did not eat the rest of the moose.
    It seemed to be placated as it got what it wanted.

    Interpretation
    When I woke my natural mind kicked into gear and I assumed God was telling me that a demon (bear) was going to attack me as I thought I was the moose since my father and mother were in the dream.
    In the past I have seen demons and some look like animals so I thought God was warning me of a bear like demon wanting to kill me.

    Obviously I was concerned and thought I need to do some praying and rebuking to stop this happening.


    But something didn't quite make sense. I couldn’t get a peace that this was about me.
    I found myself thinking….why a moose....why a bear....why are my parents feeding this bear????

    As I asked God to reveal to me what it meant, slowly my thoughts changed. Initially I was thinking with the natural mind to understand the dream.

    The thought that came was ‘America has bears and America has moose’.

    I had not been doing anything unusual to promote a dream like this about America....if anything I have been more disillusioned with the prophetic movement as it has go into nonsense in many areas and I was not wanting to be another voice of confusion.

    As I said previously I have read both sides of the prophetic voices but I have stayed on the outer just watching and waiting trying to find out what was from God.

    I mentioned before my first desire is for my own nation and what God is doing here but at the same time I know that what God does in America affects the world.

    So if this dream is from God ….what does it mean?

    This is my understanding so far

    Me in the dream as I watched the scenario represents what I am currently doing ....watching, waiting and trying to discern the times and seasons
    My father - represents God the Father (other dreams I have had also confirms this)
    My mother - represents the American Church
    Large full grown male moose – America
    Bear – Russia
    Black insect bugs – demons


    In the dream my mother fed this bear which speaks of the American church contributing to the fall of America.
    Obviously not all the Church but enough to make a difference. Feeding this bear is in reality feeding satan by compromising Christian values and living an ungodly lifestyle of willful sin and rebellion.
    Sadly deceived churches and leaders have actually fed the animal which would later attack

    My father effortlessly dragged this large male moose towards the bear. Only a powerful man could do this as a moose is a very large animal and only God can hand over such a powerful nation as America over to the enemy.

    Bear represents Russia who will be allowed by God to devour the ‘heart’ of America.

    Heart represents the inner nature of America that it no longer belongs to God. It is inhabited with evil bugs and has become the dwelling place of demons and their activity. I believe it also represents the chief place of authority that is government in Washington DC and other state capitals.

    Russia will one day destroy major ‘heart’ areas of America probably Washington DC and key cities

    America will have a terrible death and will no longer be the prominent nation on earth. By dying and undergoing such terrible judgement I also believe God can restore true faith back to the American people as those remaining will call on God for fresh mercy and revival.

    The bear was satisfied with eating the ‘heart’ but not the rest of the flesh so I believe many parts of America will be safe from judgement

    I have no idea why God would give me such a dream as there is enough people in America who already are saying similar things.

    If you want to comment and even disagree I am ok with that.

    I believe totally that the true and faithful Christians will be protected and even given authority to act when this happens - they will be a great light in the time of darkness
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    I just don't understand why Russia would have anything to do with it. Whatever one would think of Putin and his regime, he is supporting Christian values (though arguably in a very totalitarian or violent manner in relation to gays) and Christianity has been on the rise in Russia ever since the end of the cold war.

    In nuclear terms it is hard to see how any scenario involving nuclear war would produce anything short of total mutual destruction. If even one nuclear missile is detected as approaching either nation then that nation is going to aim for the total destruction of the aggressor. Both nations have more than enough missiles to accomplish that at the click of a button.

    A terrorist organization might direct just one or a few missiles at key US cities but Russia wouldn't stop at that. To have any chance of succeeding with that sort of thing they would have to attempt to take out all of the United States in one sweep, hoping that the United States would become unable to strike back in a meaningful manner. Which isn't supposed to be possible to do.

    One could imagine Russia or China allying themselves with terrorists and promoting their activities and then the terrorists get the blame and Russia gets away unscathed but that seems highly unlikely. Russia is and has since before the cold war ended been totally opposed to Islamic terrorists, including having been at war with them, in for instance Afghanistan (which they basically occupied) and Chechnya (within their own territory). They are continuing with that approach in Syria as we speak, and that is even a war outside their own territory.

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    The bear was satisfied with eating the ‘heart’ but not the rest of the flesh so I believe many parts of America will be safe from judgement
    If this is meant to be interpreted as Russia successfully taking out DC plus other key cities without being retaliated against (which would inevitably end with total mutual destruction) then the effect of that would propagate throughout the entire nation and then throughout the entire world economy. The rest of America would in no way be safe from this judgment and the rest of the world would be affected to a large degree as well.

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    I have to admit I don't understand it all maybe my interpretation isn't 100% accurate all I know is the dream was very real and I believe from God

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    America is more typically represented by an eagle. Moose typically live in Canada, Russia, the Baltics, Finland and Scandinavia. Their habitat in the United States is very limited.


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    I find your dream FASCINATING, TT. I wish I had more of a gift in dream interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    America is more typically represented by an eagle. Moose typically live in Canada, Russia, the Baltics, Finland and Scandinavia. Their habitat in the United States is very limited.

    That was my first thought too when TT interpreted the animals as countries. Canada...or even Norway.

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    Could it be that Russia will come after Canada? We border each other in the north and there has always been talk about defending Canada's northernmost border.

    Interesting thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    What is the truth....

    I believe totally that the true and faithful Christians will be protected and even given authority to act when this happens - they will be a great light in the time of darkness

    Both is going to happen... an awakening, and God allowing our enemies to inflict harm on us. And, yes I've had the same thoughts concerning not all of the US would be destroyed or damaged or whatever bad thing is going to happen. I can tell you I would not want to live on the east coast or on the west coast as those two areas seem to be hot beds for sin.

    If the anti-christ is going to rulle a majority of this world as the Bible indicates, the US must be made very weak because we would go after him and if nothing else send the CIA in to assassinate him (yeah, they say we gave that gig up, but we didn't... unless obama is giving that up now which he may very well be)

    I would not be surprised if some big terrible event is what causes the awakening because most Americans would have to be almost destroyed before they admit that maybe they need to look up and "since those Christians are claiming they have the answer... we'll go talk to them and we don't know why"

    Why would many Americans have to be brought to their knees before they acknowledge God??? Cause we have so many other options... who needs God? Well, if all your other options are gone, then there's no place to look other than up.

    On the other hand, after 9/11 the churches were only filled for a few weeks and there was no real repentance as was the case after the financial crisis in '08 and '09 - so even in the face of destruction, there is probably not going to be a really large percentage of Americans repenting which may be the down side of an independent, democratic based society.

    I know it's one of the biggest issues when witnessing to people... many think "who needs God, I can handle things"



    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I just don't understand why Russia would have anything to do with it....One could imagine Russia or China allying themselves with terrorists and promoting their activities
    Study end times stuff and you'll find many ministers that are called to end times teachings agree that both Russia (gog and magog) and China (kings from the east) will support the destruction of Israel and of course anybody wanting to do that will automatically be joined by the muzlims.

    Betcha 10 bucks the anti-christ will either be a muzlim or someone very favorable to them and the false prophet will be the pope (has to be someone of world wide influence who can bring all the world's religions together and make them believe the anti-christ is actually from God - will be someone who is a great deceiver and the pope has that covered and is really good at it! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    I find your dream FASCINATING, TT. I wish I had more of a gift in dream interpretation.
    You do...

    Hebrews 4:16
    Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    Sure you may not jump out in ministry doing that, but concerning your life and those of your family you have the God given right to bring things like dreams before the Lord and ask for clarification.

    Just give him some time cause He made need to teach you some other stuff or make adjustments in your life before you can hear the answer... which is not Him holding out on anybody, but He needs us to continue growing and receiving correction.

    The Lord has done that numerous times with me. I find it very, very beneficial to use Hebrews 4:16 and to go before the Lord in prayer and ask Him for answers and then I believe I receive and I lay the request at His feet casting all my care upon Him knowing that He cares for me.

    Then, leave it at the altar and don't think a bout it anymore... which is key as to not be worrying or taking care, worry, or anxiety.

    You can learn all kinds of stuff from the Word like this. This is how I found out that God controlled exactly what went in to the Bible inspite of men handling scripture thru history that were not even born again (the angels of the Lord would impress thoughts upon them from without and the people thought it was their original thought on things... you know, back in the dark ages God had to protect certain things that had been written down that He had inspired)

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