Thread: Prophet Warns Ministers Before They Are Judged ~

Originally Posted by LionHeart

I see him as an Ezekiel 33 prophet and would listen to anything he had to say to me personally. I think John Hamel considers the cancer itself as a judgement from God ?

If he hadn't been so into "judging" who had offended him personally then he would be more believable. I don't personally believe that God is into the business of killing his servants for being imperfect. I don't think the Old Testament prophets would have disagreed with me on that, even on a bad day. That sounds more like religious explanations for why ministers die before reaching old age. There is hyper-sovereignty thinking involved and it doesn't have to be connected to Calvinism.

Luke 9:54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of.
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”

Psalms 118:17 I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.
Can a Christian (even a minister) come under judgement and die prematurely ? I believe they can. I was given this Psalm 118 prophetic promise at least three times in different places by different people. It is a sure Word from Heaven for me. But three years ago I was abusing prescription drugs for back/neck pain. I received 2 strong prophetic warnings that my life was going to be cut off if I did not repent and get free from the medications. I did with God's help. The point I am making here is even if we have been given an outstanding Word from the Lord for our life and ministry, we must continue in obedience to the written Word to see the fulfillment of that promise.

I Corithians 12:27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
31 Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.

I do not believe that God would step in to kill you for abusing prescription drugs. I do believe that the abuse itself could lead you to where you would die or to where your sin would enable the devil to get a foothold and somehow manage to kill you. There are three factors here, the natural, the devil and God.

Originally Posted by LionHeart

I Corithians 12:27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
31 Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.

In other words, they stepped out from God's protection and were exposed to the forces of nature and possibly the devil. God rarely goes to great lengths to protect people who live in sin. If he does, then it is a matter of showing great mercy. And why show great mercy if that will just lead them to continue in sin since everything keeps being fine ? Why not let them have what they ask for, have someone tell them the truth about what is happening and then see if that will lead them to repent ?

Originally Posted by Colonel

I do not believe that God would step in to kill you for abusing prescription drugs. I do believe that the abuse itself could lead you to where you would die or to where your sin would enable the devil to get a foothold and somehow manage to kill you. There are three factors here, the natural, the devil and God.

But whatever way you slice it Colonel, it is judgement. Kind, merciful, judgement !Turn him over to satan for the destruction of his body that his spirit may be saved !

Originally Posted by LionHeart

But whatever way you slice it Colonel, it is judgement. Kind, merciful, judgement !Turn him over to satan for the destruction of his body that his spirit may be saved !

Most people don't walk in God's protection like they did back then to begin with. Most just walk according to the natural, including medical science and common sense and what happens, happens. Including when the natural produces death rather than life for instance when people abuse prescription drugs. We shouldn't assume that everything bad that happens to servants of God today amounts to God stepping back from protecting them the way he protected a lot of people as recorded in the book of Acts and the epistles. These servants of God may very well never have been under that kind of protection to begin with.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Most people don't walk in God's protection like they did back then to begin with. Most just walk according to the natural, including medical science and common sense and what happens, happens. Including when the natural produces death rather than life for instance when people abuse prescription drugs. We shouldn't assume that everything bad that happens to servants of God today amounts to God stepping back from protecting them the way he protected a lot of people as recorded in the book of Acts and the epistles. These servants of God may very well never have been under that kind of protection to begin with.

Do think long life is a promise that we are able to obtain ? Is premature death the inevitable consequence of the sin of Adam ? I was given the prophetic promise because I would need a defensive weapon when death came to take me out. My parents died at a young age. The same spirit that took them out came to take me out more than once. I have outlived there premature death ages by ten years standing and fighting with that Word.There were times all I could muster was a whisper but I said, " I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD."

Originally Posted by LionHeart

I see him as an Ezekiel 33 prophet and would listen to anything he had to say to me personally. I think John Hamel considers the cancer itself as a judgement from God ?

That's precisely the problem, right there. Good grief.

Originally Posted by LionHeart

Do think long life is a promise that we are able to obtain ? Is premature death the inevitable consequence of the sin of Adam ? I was given the prophetic promise because I would need a defensive weapon when death came to take me out. My parents died at a young age. The same spirit that took them out came to take me out more than once. I have outlived there premature death ages by ten years standing and fighting with that Word.There were times all I could muster was a whisper but I said, " I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD."

I can't tell you what is your God given lifespan. I know it isn't infinite. The Bible contains promises to the effect that we will live at liberty from disease, reach old age then die peacefully and in content.