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    I somewhat got that feeling when I went to the website.

    See, here's the thing I've had to learn the hard way. I see deception where others don't. I get warnings when others don't. Shucks, my husband had to remind of something I saw 3 1/2 years before it happened. We were driving through Ferguson, Missouri, on the way to Kansas City to see mom and died back in Xmas 2011. We were on the interstate and I was looking out the window and I told my husband, "I see this place literally being burned to the ground. I see fighting, rioting, looting, and buildings burning. Looks like a mess!" Well, I had no idea that was Ferguson. I just know what I saw clearly. I totally forgot about it until my husband reminded me. There are tons of other things I could share as well.

    So what I'm getting to is this. I just happen to have a very specific gift in the prophetic realm that sees things others don't, because God reveals it to me. What I had to learn over the years is really to just shake it off when people ignore what God shows me. This is a huge test for prophetic people. I mean look...at the end of the day, that stuff can fester and turn into bitterness if left unchecked. You ain't all that.....you're just a weak, imperfect, vessel, that God has chosen to share things with. That's really all there is to it. Your calling is no better of different than anyone else's.....so just get over yourself. Just share what God tells you to share, and let HIM open doors for you and give you favor with the right people at the right time. At some point, through God's dealings, people rejecting the Jesus in you, etc...God will make a straight path for the gift He has given you, to be revealed to the masses.

    I just got to the point to where I was like: Because at the end of it all, it's JESUS they are rejecting, not me. It's really just par for the course. Just because you see some things, doesn't even mean you are supposed to share it. You even need to hear God to go tell someone everything God shows you, and sometimes, you're just supposed to pray.

    These are important tests for anyone with a true prophetic gift that has a warning type of bend to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    He also seems to harp a lot on BJD. I don't know if the author wanted recognition/a ministry position/validation from BJD, but what it seems like to me is a whole lot of ax grinding. Even if some or all of what he wrote is true. Move on already and stop regurgitating the past.

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    Yeah, I mean, BJD and TL & Daisy Osborn are gone (the woman evangelist he was referencing)...why harp so much on how they refused a warning? The author seems to want to legitimize his prophetic ministry using deaths of well known leaders..."if only they had listened and obeyed the 'word' I gave them"...sheesh. Tulsa had a lot of wannabe-something-in-the-Kingdom types back in the day..not so sure nowadays.

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    Thank you! Well said!

    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Yeah, I mean, BJD and TL & Daisy Osborn are gone (the woman evangelist he was referencing)...why harp so much on how they refused a warning? The author seems to want to legitimize his prophetic ministry using deaths of well known leaders..."if only they had listened and obeyed the 'word' I gave them"...sheesh. Tulsa had a lot of wannabe-something-in-the-Kingdom types back in the day..not so sure nowadays.

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    He's talking about John Paul Jackson here:

    Many have allowed themselves to be misled by the wrong teachings of one very popular "Prophet" and "Christian Dream Teacher" who teaches others to interpret dreams according to his "inspired" Dream Manual based on colors, shapes, numbers, symbols, etc. There is no evidence in Scripture for any such manual or teachings.

    Sadly, this popular Minister died suddenly and prematurely in early 2015 as a result of his pride, false teachings and for stepping into the Prophet's Office to which he was not called.

    His followers seem to be misled by the fact that he has appeared on many popular Christian television programs. Well, there are many things on Christian television networks that do not line up with Scripture. Appearing on Christian television does not mean God is putting His stamp of approval on everything someone does.

    One Pastor I personally know has been so misled by the above-mentioned popular "Christian Dream Teacher" he actually held a church party on a local Village Green and opened it to the public. There was "...drama, dance, games, food, face painting and dream interpretation."

    This easy going, fun-centered, amusement park mentality approach to Holy Scripture can lead to big time deception and potential tragedy to those who are fooled by it.

    Imagine - face painting, games and dream interpretation for the children!

    Frankly, I would not allow my child to come within one mile of that church party!

    Although the Pastor and his people loved Jesus, they had "departed from the faith," opening themselves and others up to "seducing spirits and doctrines of demons." (1 Timothy 4:1)

    Such wayward doctrine cannot be supported from Holy Scripture. (Matthew 18:16)

    It's always best to just stick with the written Word of God and stay out of trouble.

    As stated, one such popular Ministry, mentioned above, has deceived many believers in Jesus Christ, particularly church youth. This deceived individual and his trained "Teachers" and "Prophets" traveled from Church to Church, television program to television program, man-inspired Dream Interpretation Manuals in hand, teaching “Dream Seminars” on how to interpret dreams through the use of colors, letters, numbers, objects, events, etc.

    In spite of its popularity this type of teaching is unbiblical, man-inspired, not God-inspired, rooted in psychology and renders nothing but confusion amongst those who are ignorant of true, Biblical, New Testament forms of guidance.

    Again, sadly, this popular Dream Interpreter died prematurely for stepping into the Prophet's Office to which he was not called. He simply met none of the criteria for that Office.

    Yet, many Pastors choose this popular error over the Word of God simply because it will draw a small crowd and raise a few dollars. (Not to mention a few eyebrows.)

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    I can't comment on the people mentioned in this thread as I don't know enough about them....did the author give a warning to John Paul Jackson


    In general the prophetic has lost its way and some of the stuff being prophesied is in wacky land

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    I admire John Hamel for taking on the big names and not backing down. Most of us older WOF followers can clearly see the scriptural errors in the prosperity message. But they keep banging away year after year taking in millions in the process.It will take one of the biggies going to jail before we would see any real repentance (or Holy fear) from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Yeah, I mean, BJD and TL & Daisy Osborn are gone (the woman evangelist he was referencing)...why harp so much on how they refused a warning? The author seems to want to legitimize his prophetic ministry using deaths of well known leaders..."if only they had listened and obeyed the 'word' I gave them"...sheesh. Tulsa had a lot of wannabe-something-in-the-Kingdom types back in the day..not so sure nowadays.
    I understand why he seems to go on and on about this. If you lived through the era of the big time preachers you were told to NEVER EVER say anything bad about them. God would strike you down if you did! I saw backslidden behavior from one Pastor of mine. We would not dare touch God's anointed though. The big time prophet came in year after year to support this backslidden preacher. If you dared to speak out about anything he would personally call you and threaten you with a law suit. He would follow this up with a letter from his attorney. So for John Hamel to go in person to rebuke these untouchables in the faith camp brings a great admiration from me. They are not above the law of the Lord and the land.

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    LH, his so-called "discernment" is so far off concerning JPJ, I seriously question everything the guy says. He comes across as a bitter heresy hunter, imo. His attitude alone should give anyone pause. Outside of my husband, no one really knows the extant of "warnings" I get. I shared at the old forum how I warned a young man about messing with guns and he ended up dead six months later. This should make people weep, not run to the internet to brag to the world about your great prophetic gift. The reason JPJ is dead is probably because radiation treatments for cancer make cancer cells 30 times more malignant (and aggressive). I'm pretty sure he had no idea about that and no, I don't think God judged him for having a children's outreach. This dude needs to have a seat and zipit.

    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I understand why he seems to go on and on about this. If you lived through the era of the big time preachers you were told to NEVER EVER say anything bad about them. God would strike you down if you did! I saw backslidden behavior from one Pastor of mine. We would not dare touch God's anointed though. The big time prophet came in year after year to support this backslidden preacher. If you dared to speak out about anything he would personally call you and threaten you with a law suit. He would follow this up with a letter from his attorney. So for John Hamel to go in person to rebuke these untouchables in the faith camp brings a great admiration from me. They are not above the law of the Lord and the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    LH, his so-called "discernment" is so far off concerning JPJ, I seriously question everything the guy says. He comes across as a bitter heresy hunter, imo. His attitude alone should give anyone pause. Outside of my husband, no one really knows the extant of "warnings" I get. I shared at the old forum how I warned a young man about messing with guns and he ended up dead six months later. This should make people weep, not run to the internet to brag to the world about your great prophetic gift. The reason JPJ is dead is probably because radiation treatments for cancer make cancer cells 30 times more malignant (and aggressive). I'm pretty sure he had no idea about that and no, I don't think God judged him for having a children's outreach. This dude needs to have a seat and zipit.
    I see him as an Ezekiel 33 prophet and would listen to anything he had to say to me personally. I think John Hamel considers the cancer itself as a judgement from God ?

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