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    Quote Originally Posted by tehilah ba'aretz View Post
    since i am ordained with the assemblies of god, i officially am a pre-tribber. On the other hand, i live in the midst of prophecy being fulfilled in israel and i can see the storm clouds of the gog and magog war. So, in a fit of honesty, i have to admit that i wonder if the first part of the tribulation has already begun.
    My bottom line is that it is necessary to be righteous in the midst of evil times and keep looking at and listening to our beloved messiah.
    I used to read a magazine about Israel but I don't remember the writer. His daughter's name was Sandy. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER ON THIS FORUM FOR SOME TIME.

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    In point 9 below the author makes a convoluted effort to tell us how the trumpets were different. That is man made eisegesis since every Trumpet belongs to God who authorizes the angels to sound.
    Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets. God gave them trumpets.

    We all agree 1 Thess 4 & 1 Cor 15 are the same event and - God calls the rapture/resurrection trumpet the LAST trumpet.
    Why the spin to now declare this isn't the last trumpet? Last means LAST. God says not to ADD to his Word yet the author does this to justify his position.

    Since God calls the rapture/resurrection trumpet the LAST trumpet - can anyone tell me what were the preceding trumpets before this last trumpet???????
    There has to be PRECEDING trumpets for it to be called the LAST - Unbiased biblical reading will see that the preceding trumpets were the 6 Trumpets of Revelation.


    Jesus explains it perfectly below - what is the trumpet in v31 it correlates perfectly with 1 Th 4:16 - For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
    with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

    Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
    Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Mat 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.





    9. The Trumpets of 1 Thessalonians & 1 Corinthians are NOT the same as in Revelation.


    There are those who point to the trumpet sounding in 1 Thess 4:16 and say. 'see, this is the 7th trumpet judgment in Revelation.' So they falsely conclude that the Church MUST go through the Great Tribulation. It's also compared to 1 Corinthians 15:52 Is this the 7th Trumpet in Revelation so that the church will go through at least some of the Great Tribulation?
    FIRST: The trumpet at the rapture is called the "Trump of God".
    BUT The 7th trumpet in Revelation, the trump an angel!
    Revelation 11:15 (NKJV) "Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
    SECONDLY: The trumpet at the rapture announces an event that happens in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye.
    BUT The 7th trumpet in Rev will cover a period of days.
    Revelation 10:7 (NKJV) "but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."
    FINALLY: The trumpet at the rapture is one of glory & majesty & wonderful changes taking place. We will see & be with the Lord!
    BUT The 7th trumpet in Rev. is one of woe and destruction.
    Revelation 11:14–15 (NKJV) "The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly. Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
    Completely different trumpets for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    I used to read a magazine about Israel but I don't remember the writer. His daughter's name was Sandy. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER ON THIS FORUM FOR SOME TIME.
    Sandy got tired of the bad behavior of some members. She is still a member if she ever decides to drop in. The Magazine mentioned above was the Jerusalem Courier. It was published by Sandy's father and since he has graduated to Heaven the paper has ceased to function. A great alternative is, "Dispatch from Jerusalem" by Bridges For Peace and Sandy's sister, Becky is the editor.

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