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    I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation [deliverance] to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and around the four living creatures; and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever" (Rev 7:9-12).

    This "great multitude which no one could count" that is described by John as coming "from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues" is the same multitude found in two chapters earlier over in Revelation 5:9, "from every tribe and tongue and people and nation" for those whom Christ had died.

    Notice that when this great multitude arrives in heaven, they are seen "standing before the throne...clothed in white robes...palm branches in their hands.
    They have bodies and the elect will not receive resurrected bodies until the Rapture! So, if these new arrivals have bodies, they have to be those who have been resurrected in the rapture at the coming of the Lord in the air.

    This great multitude that suddenly appears before the throne of God cannot be anyone other than the raptured saints of God who have lived from all history along with those who remain alive on earth the way I see it. The timing of the arrival of this great multitude in heaven parallels the timing Christ gave His disciples in the Olivet Discourse, as to when the elect of God would be gathered together---raptured---from one end of the sky to the other (Mt 24:29-31) an event that occurs immediately following the announcement of God's wrath (which we are not appointed too) *1 Thess 1:10 in the sun, moon, and stars.

    And one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in white robes, who are they, and from where have they come?"
    And I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of great tribulation [persecution], and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev 7:13-14).

    It is in my humble opinion that "these are the ones who come out of great tribulation," directly identifying this great multitude as the elect of God that Christ refers to in the Olivet Discourse, who will be gathered together from the four winds when the great tribulation by Antichrist is cut short by the signs given in the sun, moon, and stars.

    It is my understanding that the great multitude is none other than the resurrected dead in Christ from all time and the living believers still on earth are caught up "standing" before the throne of God. Thus, the sixth seal represents the sign of the Day of the Lord---"the sun became like black as sackcloth...the whole moon became like blood...the stars of the sky fell to the earth...for the great day of their wrath has come" (Rev 6:12-17) as to which the seventh chapter of Revelation shows deliverance, or rapture, of God's faithful, "the ones who come out of great tribulation" (Rev 7:14), And then, the wrath will proceed.

    With the breaking of the seventh seal, the scroll is finally loosed and the day of God's fiery judgment begins. Anticipating that the wrath of God is about to begin, there will be silence in heaven for half an hour. After the angel fills his golden censer with fire from the alter and throws it down to the earth, the seven angels will begin to sound the trumpet judgments upon the earth.

    In summary, persecution by Antichrist (Satan's wrath) against the true saints of God (His elect) will be cut short when the elect of God are gathered from the four winds by the angels of Christ as shown in the Olivet Discourse (Mt 24:31) out of "great tribulation" and will suddenly (raptured) arrive in heaven, before the throne of God (Rev7:13-14) in their resurrection bodies. Something to consider, the arrival (rapture) of the great multitude is in chapter 7 of Revelation. The battle of Armageddon doesn't even occur until much later in the sequence of end time events, not until chapter 19. You must decide if you will continue to hold on to the pre-tribulation belief as an escape route from the "great tribulation" or if you will change your mind and at least examine the Scriptures to find out the truth and not what a man behind a pulpit has taught you (1 Tim 4:3-4).

    Your decision will directly affect how you prepare for the last days, when

    "[they] will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name...
    for then there will be great tribulation, such has not occurred since the beginning
    of the world until now, nor ever shall" (Mt 24:9,21).

    "And you will be hated by all on account of My name,
    but it is the one who endures to the end who will be saved (Mt 10:22)
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    To stick with the "Pre- Tribulation Rapture" THEORY, one must ignore every bit of great tribulation which has already happened. You must become just like those who say "There was never a holocaust".

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    Do Not Fear the End of Days - Dr, Larry Ollison





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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Notice that when this great multitude arrives in heaven, they are seen "standing before the throne...clothed in white robes...palm branches in their hands.
    They have bodies and the elect will not receive resurrected bodies until the Rapture! So, if these new arrivals have bodies, they have to be those who have been resurrected in the rapture at the coming of the Lord in the air.
    Everybody in heaven has a spiritual body and wears clothes. I'm not sure how this is interpreted as having 'new' or resurrected bodies for this bunch. It doesn't say that or imply that they had new or resurrected bodies that I can see.

    Not to mention, in v. 14 John asks who they are and the elder says, "These are the ones who have DIED in the great tribulation." So there pretty much goes that theory about them having been raptured.

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    Everybody in heaven has a spiritual body and wears clothes. I'm not sure how this is interpreted as having 'new' or resurrected bodies for this bunch. It doesn't say that or imply that they had new or resurrected bodies that I can see.

    Not to mention, in v. 14 John asks who they are and the elder says, "These are the ones who have DIED in the great tribulation." So there pretty much goes that theory about them having been raptured.
    Actually, it does not say that they died during the great tribulation, but that they "came out of great tribulation."


    Revelation 7:14
    And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.







    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by godismyjudge View Post

    do not fear the end of days - dr, larry ollison





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    A good exposition of the biblical pretrib view of the end times. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    a good exposition of the pretrib view of the end times. Thanks!
    Video is not available. Was it taken down for "misinformation"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highly Favoured View Post
    Video is not available. Was it taken down for "misinformation"?
    It's still on youtube. It did not duplicate when I tried to show the post. I will go back and correct it. You simply cannot destroy the Truth!



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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Actually, it does not say that they died during the great tribulation, but that they "came out of great tribulation."


    Revelation 7:14
    And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    Not sure how I read that died unless it said that in another translation. But that they came from the rapture is still just an assumption.

    For the record, I have no idea when the 'rapture' is, whether pre, middle, or is actually the second coming (and neither does anybody else really). I can see points from both sides.

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    I don't want to come across as over confident but

    I am 1000%, totally convinced, absolutely full proof that the rapture will not occur until the anti christ is first revealed.
    The church better be prepared and not rely on the rapture to get them out. There will be a rapture but not pre-trib.

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