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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    It is obvious that I see things different from you. I view the scripture as PROOF. And that's enough for me.
    But that's just it. If you picked up a bible and started reading it without ever hearing the Pre-Trib Rapture THEORY, you would never come up with it. The scripture does not say that the church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Not a single scripture.
    It takes a hodgepodge of scriptures taken out of context to build this doctrine. Scriptural acrobatics. A simple reading of the passages in context would never ever bring you to a conclusion that says the church will be raptured before the great tribulation.

    We may never agree on this until the day we are raptured up to be with Jesus. It doesn't matter though, I still love you with a brotherly love.

    I just believe that this doctrine has lulled the church to sleep and believers today have been taught that they won't have to go through anything as horrendous as what the early church did. (No scripture says that the church of today will not go through the same things as the 1st Century church or the church of the Reformation Period/dark ages.)

    What will happen to them if they do?
    Will they be able to stand bravely without denouncing Jesus and commit their spirit to Him, or will they feel like they have been deceived and give up and denounce their faith?







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    The early church never faced the wrath of God. They did, however, face the wrath of satan. There is a huge difference. The Great Tribulation is talking about the wrath of God being poured out.

    You see Brother, there are two kinds of tribulation. There is tribulation experienced by the child of God which comes from satan and his evil world system. However, the Tribulation that is coming on this sinful world, the Great Tribulation, will come from God Himself. It is called the WRATH OF GOD!


    Speaking to His disciples in John 16:33 Jesus said, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." The Church will have tribulation in the world. It's important to notice that the "tribulation" faced by the Church originates from the world and comes from the evil world system that is controlled by Satan. Satan is behind all the attacks on the Church. Yes, even 70 A.D. persecution and those you discussed in Foxe's Book of Martyrs.

    The Bible says we, the Church, wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The source of our tribulation is definitely the world governed by Satan.

    However, the Great Tribulation that will come upon the earth originates from Heaven. It consists of God's wrath which is poured out in judgment against the sinners during this Tribulation.

    I could say much more here, but an honest reading of the Word with the help of the Holy Ghost will bring you to the right conclusion. If you want to fully understand what this Great Tribulation will be like, read Revelation Chapters 6 through 19.

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    I don't know about all the labels they put on things. So I don't Know which one I would be in.

    But when it gets to the Great on how ever degree that is I know I won't be here. By all I've said in here Brothers & Sisters, what label am I? I believe the Holy Spirit will not be here after we are all get called up. I believe in the Rapture.

    When the take mark things happen. that's the 3 and half years after the fly. So we will not see that happen, folks left behind will have knowledge that's what is going on. So they will have the choice and the test will be ugly and tempting will be at it's max.
    The Holy Ghost is gone, so it's their flesh against the other spirit in them. I'm not sure if they will just have the one, the flesh, but they have to be asked which to chose, so, they have to still have that flesh against their good spirit, but that spirit is just them, (the good/flesh.) But it is almost pagan like, I would think.

    Now the way things are going today I'd call it some pang's, some tribulations are on us all now. Even Christians go thru personnel tribulations. That's the Walk. But they can be tuff/great even. But they fight the fight always.
    But things are going to get worst, this is just the introduction phase. "The Pangs"

    I'm surprised no one has touch this one in Psalms 90:10. I've studied this some and you can't help but get a WOW moment in thought with this study.

    From <https://www.christiantruthcenter.com/the-fig-tree-generation-the-generation-that-will-not-pass/>

    KJV Psalms 90:10 "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away."


    Check this out, this is gonna blow your minds: Psalms 90:10 says, 'if by reason of strength they be eighty years, yet is their labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away'.*{This is a prophecy. Moses wrote this.} I.e. if they are 80 years there is*labour and sorrow*figurative of the great tribulation and it is*soon cut off*thus Jesus ends it when He comes riding on a horse to Armageddon battle*and we fly away. Because of this prophecy in*Psalms 90:10*we are going to use a generation to be 80 years.

    Because of this prophecy in*Psalms 90:10*we are going to use a generation to be 80 years.

    The 1948 generation will be over in the year 2018 when the generation attains 70 years in accordance to*Psalms 90:10*but the generation has to go up to 80 years for years of*labour and sorrow*(great tribulation) then soon cut off.

    Since in 2018 the generation will be 70 years plus 10 more years for the generation to be 80 years thus brings us to the year 2028.

    I.e. from 1948 to 2028 = 80 years and the generation is soon cut off as prophesied in Psalms.

    In summary: Biblical lifespan of man: 80 years (with years of labor and sorrow)
    Israel rebirth: May 14th*1948

    Years from May 14th*1948 to 2014: 66 years
    Years left in lifespan: 14 years
    Israel rebirth: May 14th*1948. The year for 1948 generation to be over (1948 + 80 years): 2028
    Latest year for Jesus Christ return: 2028
    Latest year for rapture and the beginning of the great tribulation (2028 – 7): 2021

    But I got this Psalms study from this link. But it will not load, but still........ The numbers thing,,, Many Preach this as well, think John Hagee gets some from here.
    <https://www.christiantruthcenter.com/the-fig-tree-generation-the-generation-that-will-not-pass/>

    Jesus is coming soon! King David put it in the book, but Moses wrote this. Remember their meeting on the Mount of Olives.
    I use Smith Wigglesworth's Devotional study. And it was a study I recently did there in Mark. But a humm moment, ya know.
    Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

    Now I know no one knows the day or time. But is not this interesting!

    What do ya think???
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    You Know About The Devil But Have You Heard Of This Fallen Angel ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    It takes a hodgepodge of scriptures taken out of context to build this doctrine. Scriptural acrobatics. A simple reading of the passages in context would never ever bring you to a conclusion that says the church will be raptured before the great tribulation.
    That takes all the fun out of it.

    But .

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    Quote Originally Posted by diakonos777 View Post
    You Know About The Devil But Have You Heard Of This Fallen Angel ?

    The part on them Killer Locust won't sting or hurt the one's with God's mark on their foreheads. I got a hummmm, say what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diakonos777 View Post
    The part on them Killer Locust won't sting or hurt the one's with God's mark on their foreheads. I got a hummmm, say what?
    And that my brother, is the point I have been trying to make. Notice that this is the 5th Trumpet. We will still be on the earth for all of this. These demons described in the video are not allowed to touch us, but we will be here.

    Notice that it is between the 6th and 7th seals where John saw the 144k and the multitude which no one could count standing in heaven.

    Between the 6th and 7th trumpets the mystery of God (the church) will be fulfilled.

    Between the 6th and 7th bowls Jesus says "I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches and keeps his garments on....."

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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    I watched with great interest until he skipped over the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

    Other Jewish scholars recognize that both Daniel and Jesus were talking about the Destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I watched with great interest until he skipped over the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

    Other Jewish scholars recognize that both Daniel and Jesus were talking about the Destruction of the temple in 70 AD.
    That's too bad, there is a lot more to learn.

    Matthew 24 actually proves the Pre-Tribulation catching-away of the Church.





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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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