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    The acceptable year of the Lord wasn't a prophetic proclamation, not beyond it being fulfilled from the resurrection and on. Even though it requires our application it's still a fact whether we apply it or not.
    Not going to get in a discussion about what does and does not constitute a prophetic word, except to point out that Jesus was indeed reading from the book of the PROPHET ISAIAH and noted that Isaiah's PROPHESY was being fulfilled that day in their midst.

    Furthermore, I am not arguing about whether or not this "acceptable year" is a "fact".

    Fact: Jesus was prophesied to be the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD! He is also the Savior of all men. However, not all men receive Him which is why hell continues to widen itself. Yet, God makes it plain and clear that it is His desire that all be saved (1 Tim. 2:4-6; 2 Pet. 3:9)

    My point in my posts is that even unconditional prophecy is not enjoyed by everyone, and most prophecy (even those that don't state conditions - see Jonah chapters 4 and 5) needs human cooperation to either come to pass or to keep a judgment from occurring. That is the teaching of Scripture plain and clear.

    People who do not understand this truth about prophecy are always going to end up disappointed and will usually be those who despise prophecies, something that Scripture forbids.
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    Conditional prophecies that declare something as unconditionally available sound very much like simply stating the Word. Unless they attempt to add something to the Word, then it gets dangerous. There could be currents in terms of what God is doing that are temporal. Stating things clearly helps a lot. A lot of prophecies are very fuzzy and one is left with guessing what it's all supposed to mean. The prophecy in the OP in this particular thread isn't unclear and it could qualify as relating a temporal current. I'm not so sure that most of the New Year's eve prophecies do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    And if the people don't believe?
    Nothing for them

    Remember the unconditional prophecy that Elisha gave to the king (2 Kings 7:1)? Remember the lord who refused to believe this prophecy (2 Kings 7:2, 17-20)?

    Did everyone enjoy the "acceptable year of the Lord" during the Lord's time? Is everyone enjoying it now?
    Not sure I follow what you are asking


    Actually, I have not read anything yet in Scripture that did not require some human cooperation in order to see fulfillment, or to prevent the fulfillment of a judgment. But that is the fruit of my own study and research.
    Agreed but Sometimes the only human requirement is Just Believe ... without any demand for prerequisite consecration or anything of the like . Very often the request for consecration only came after the recipient receiving from the word spoken .

    There is a running theme on these threads that we need to be better disciples or better evangelists in order to receive from God and all prophecies must reflect that pattern .. However In the scriptures I don't see Jesus demanding from anybody that they first go become evangelists for him or live for him before he healed them or delivered them in any way.

    It was always they get healed or delivered first and then went to tell what the Lord has done for them from that place of gratitude ...Even the 9 lepers who didn't return to give thanks indicating that their hearts weren't fully right still got their healing

    The Only demand that Jesus placed across the board was.. Believe ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    And if the people don't believe?

    Remember the unconditional prophecy that Elisha gave to the king (2 Kings 7:1)? Remember the lord who refused to believe this prophecy (2 Kings 7:2, 17-20)?

    Did everyone enjoy the "acceptable year of the Lord" during the Lord's time? Is everyone enjoying it now?

    Actually, I have not read anything yet in Scripture that did not require some human cooperation in order to see fulfillment, or to prevent the fulfillment of a judgment. But that is the fruit of my own study and research.
    When I see a promise in the Word, I always look for the condition(s) to be able to receive and walk in it.

    If ———> then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post

    The Only demand that Jesus placed across the board was.. Believe ...
    Only believe. Amen.
    About the “dead” daughter of Jairus...Jesus told him, “dont be afraid, just believe”. Now, the only part of us that stands in the way of our believing God...is the intellect.

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    When I saw the topic headline.. I thought I saw "cleaning angel".... thought OK...now we have housekeepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Nothing for them


    Not sure I follow what you are asking



    Agreed but Sometimes the only human requirement is Just Believe ... without any demand for prerequisite consecration or anything of the like . Very often the request for consecration only came after the recipient receiving from the word spoken .

    There is a running theme on these threads that we need to be better disciples or better evangelists in order to receive from God and all prophecies must reflect that pattern .. However In the scriptures I don't see Jesus demanding from anybody that they first go become evangelists for him or live for him before he healed them or delivered them in any way.

    It was always they get healed or delivered first and then went to tell what the Lord has done for them from that place of gratitude ...Even the 9 lepers who didn't return to give thanks indicating that their hearts weren't fully right still got their healing

    The Only demand that Jesus placed across the board was.. Believe ...
    The difference is that Jesus isn't present here in the flesh any longer. If he had been then we could all simply congregate around him and get healed etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Only believe. Amen.
    About the “dead” daughter of Jairus...Jesus told him, “dont be afraid, just believe”. Now, the only part of us that stands in the way of our believing God...is the intellect.
    Mindsets is one thing but Jesus refers to something else :

    John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
    40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.”

    Mark 16:14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.

    Luke 24:25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!

    After all, one believes with the heart and not with the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The difference is that Jesus isn't present here in the flesh any longer. If he had been then we could all simply congregate around him and get healed etc.
    Where two or three gather in his name ..he is there

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    John 20:27-29 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

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