Thread: Does the Bible teach a pre-tribulation rapture of the church? Michael Brown

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

It's already happened to many over the last 2000 years.
Christians have dressed in white and gone into the countryside to await Jesus return

Some believers actually used their credit cards and spent foolishly believing Jesus would come back and they would not have to repay.

Deception has occurred and will continue to occur so we need to have a proper biblical understanding but that doesn't mean we will understand everything because we still live by faith

Okay but you turned my scenario upsidedown. When events do unfold and according to one end time scenario, are those who hold to a different scenario likely to be deceived ? Explain.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Okay but you turned my scenario upsidedown. When events do unfold and according to one end time scenario, are those who hold to a different scenario likely to be deceived ? Explain.

There is a danger some may become disillusioned if the pre trib rapture doesn't rescue them and they find themselves in difficult times.

This actually occurred during Hitler and some believers felt God abandoned them and their faith failed.
Hitler is a type of the anti christ so what will happen to the faith of some when the real anti christ arrives.

There are even some Christians saying the mark of the beast in Revelation can be taken because it is referring to a spiritual mark not a natural one.
If the mark is a literal mark and God doesn't want his people to take it then it will cause great concern.

No one can categorically say who will be deceived but there are enough warnings that Christians need to watch and pray.

We are not to fear but Jesus did refer to the 5 foolish virgins so we cannot be blasé.

Jesus also used the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as a warning about the end times and we know history tells us many believers escaped destruction because they understood the times and took heed to the words of Jesus

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

There is a danger some may become disillusioned if the pre trib rapture doesn't rescue them and they find themselves in difficult times.

This actually occurred during Hitler and some believers felt God abandoned them and their faith failed.
Hitler is a type of the anti christ so what will happen to the faith of some when the real anti christ arrives.

There are even some Christians saying the mark of the beast in Revelation can be taken because it is referring to a spiritual mark not a natural one.
If the mark is a literal mark and God doesn't want his people to take it then it will cause great concern.

No one can categorically say who will be deceived but there are enough warnings that Christians need to watch and pray.

We are not to fear but Jesus did refer to the 5 foolish virgins so we cannot be blasé.

Jesus also used the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as a warning about the end times and we know history tells us many believers escaped destruction because they understood the times and took heed to the words of Jesus

We are promised tribulations and persecutions with or without the Antichrist being involved. Hitler is probably the best candidate ever that wasn't really so that is understandable, that they thought it must be him. The fact that some people lost their faith because their particular end time scenario didn't seem to fit their situation, that is pretty crazy. Never mind the fact that Hitler was not the Antichrist. What is our faith built on ? Christ and him revealed. Not "is my theology flawless or is it not".

Originally Posted by Colonel

What is our faith built on ? Christ and him revealed. Not "is my theology flawless or is it not".

No one disagrees that Jesus should be our 100% foundation regardless of end time theology and no one has ever said end time theology needs to be faultless
Why bring up points that distract from what people say?????

Basically I can reply to all your numerous comments by saying .....Just have faith in Jesus as the answer to everything and we can close every forum and every discussion




From henceforth the answer to EVERYTHING is - Have FAITH IN JESUS


Now can this forum be shut down because it is pointless discussing anything as I have provided the perfect answer

I was directing that at the believers that lost their faith because of not being protected from Hitler.

Originally Posted by Colonel

I was directing that at the believers that lost their faith because of not being protected from Hitler.

ok ..my apologies

My thoughts are since Jesus, Daniel and the epistles all mention the last days it is obvious that God doesn't want us ignorant.
We still need to trust God but what he reveals we also need to embrace and reject man made opinions.

No one has it altogether but I prefer to keep my ears open if God begins to reveal things.

We wonder how can christians get deceived like in that thread Nikos started about the false Jesus in Siberia.
That is an extreme example but if those people had some decent theology in their belief system they would not be deceived by this man.

There are some believers that have become obsessed with the last days and see 'signs' everywhere and that is unhealthy

"Jesus of Nazareth was the first, last and only Messiah" is part of proper end time theology, I subscribe to that of course. Nothing much to discuss there.

I suppose they told them that they would be raptured soon when Hitler had been around for a while. When that doesn't happen I would ask myself these questions :

* How can we be so sure that Hitler is the Antichrist with a capital A ?
* What if I've got the timing of the rapture wrong ?
* What if there is no rapture ?
* Even if I can't figure out the above, my faith rests on the person of Jesus so what does it all matter ?

Originally Posted by Colonel

* Even if I can't figure out the above, my faith rests on the person of Jesus so what does it all matter ?

So you wasted 20 years debating Calvinists and other believers over pointless opinions on forums

Since they all believe in Jesus what does it matter

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

So you wasted 20 years debating Calvinists and other believers over pointless opinions on forums

Since they all believe in Jesus what does it matter

Actually I helped some return to the faith, some maintain faith and so on. And I'm only counting those who said so.