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Thread: Fallen Ministers - Entitled to Full Resoration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Does that mean that we should all simply take everyone's word for whatever it is that they claim about such things and leave it at that ? 10 time serial adulterer and all ?
    I don't have an opinion on that.. all I'm saying is, we can't judge another's heart..

    I think, I'd rather give grace and let God deal with the phonies.

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    Seems some are describing how the 'world' and the 'church' should or DO view someone who has fallen and repented but my question has been should not the 'church' at least view them as GOD does?

    So again I ask...does MAN have the right to restrict someone being led by GOD to minister to others?

    And where we STARTED was that when someone passes judgment to that affect can they even recognize when GOD is doing something different?

    Take it a step further..how much of the hierarchy of organizational structure is actually biblical and how much of it was instituted by religion.
    I think in some sense, you are attempting to topple biblical truth with "new revelation" and "special cases", insinuating that those who don't buy in are being judgemental, harsh or stuck in the "old" paradigm, that stinky religious stuff. All of which, of course necessitates being harsh, judgemental and religious.

    Bending sound scriptural practice to justify our ends is never very good, it's typically an attitude and practice encouraged by cults, the special, superior ones who see them as being deficient and certainly not as cutting edge as us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I think in some sense, you are attempting to topple biblical truth with "new revelation" and "special cases", insinuating that those who don't buy in are being judgemental, harsh or stuck in the "old" paradigm, that stinky religious stuff. All of which, of course necessitates being harsh, judgemental and religious.

    Bending sound scriptural practice to justify our ends is never very good, it's typically an attitude and practice encouraged by cults, the special, superior ones who see them as being deficient and certainly not as cutting edge as us.
    In my opinion, applying all kinds of commandments according to the letter is much more typical of various cults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    In my opinion, applying all kinds of commandments according to the letter is much more typical of various cults.
    It goes both ways but the underlying issue is misapplying scripture and holding out that you have better revelation, special knowledge, etc. It's all the same. There is always an "US vs. THEM" attached, those who don't listen to dear leader are blind, religious, bitter, stuck in old paradigms, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    In my opinion, applying all kinds of commandments according to the letter is much more typical of various cults.
    Except for the leaders of cults, they typically get a pass on wives and concubines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Except for the leaders of cults, they typically get a pass on wives and concubines.
    Depends. My impression of some people in cult leadership is that they are in fact true believers and try to apply their own principles to themselves. But their followers may find it hard to criticize them of course.

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    I've often wondered when the day comes when some folks will be praising God in prison and He opens the gates and literally sets them all free!

    Will the church have enough grace to deal with those such as them?
    Probably, but the the churches won't be their problem. It will be the law as they round them back up as fugitives.

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    "Let's go empty all the prisons"

    Yeah, great idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I think in some sense, you are attempting to topple biblical truth with "new revelation" and "special cases", insinuating that those who don't buy in are being judgemental, harsh or stuck in the "old" paradigm, that stinky religious stuff. All of which, of course necessitates being harsh, judgemental and religious.

    Bending sound scriptural practice to justify our ends is never very good, it's typically an attitude and practice encouraged by cults, the special, superior ones who see them as being deficient and certainly not as cutting edge as us.
    What's new about the Holy Spirit leading of the believers who are members of the whole body by which Jesus is LORD? Just because some in leadership think God left THEM in charge don't make it so...they are supposed to be following HIM too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    What's new about the Holy Spirit leading of the believers who are members of the whole body by which Jesus is LORD? Just because some in leadership think God left THEM in charge don't make it so...they are supposed to be following HIM too..
    Quest, the Holy Spirit and the word of God are not at odds with each other. If the Holy Spirit isn't leading you right back to the word of God, it isn't the Holy Spirit.

    Hebrews 1:1-3 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
    Your insistence in this thread that Davids life is some sort of NT ministry model is wholly flawed. David didn't have the benefit of the counsel available to us and wasn't accountable to standards he had no understanding of. We now have a better way, much superior to the the ancients.

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