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Thread: Fallen Ministers - Entitled to Full Resoration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Catchy, if you have something to offer besides a personal attack on Nikos, please post it.
    You mean similarly to the personal attack both you and HE have directed toward me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Qualifications for Overseers

    3 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Therefore an overseer[a] must be above reproach, the husband of one wife,[b] sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
    There are a few things in that passage that cannot be repented from because they remain factual.

    failing the "husband of one wife" test

    failing the "having a good reputation with outsiders" test

    failing the "is not a recent convert" test

    I doubt if any church will hire a recent convert as an overseer (I think his time frame is probably less than a year given the speed at which he established his churches). They might ignore the others. I don't personally see them as absolute commandments but they should function as strong guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    You mean similarly to the personal attack both you and HE have directed toward me?
    Please don't make this escalate. You haven't suffered much.

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    Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post

    There have been other Christian couples who have willfully divorced and remarried for no legitimate biblical reasons knowing that they could 'repent' and start afresh with their new spouse...
    Cardinal TT, one thing I have stated from the beginning..I am talking about genuine repentance, not "I'm sorry."

    People who KNOW they are sinning and intend to ask for forgiveness later are those who are tramping underfoot His grace...that's a dangerous place to go...dangerous place to go.

    Some don't get caught up into sin with such willful intent, they are more of the kind that don't avoid it with intent due to overestimating their own strength or spiritual growth...IMHO they are far more likely to come to the place of genuine repentance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Please don't make this escalate. You haven't suffered much.
    When John had the audacity to reprimand Catchy for something he just did himself...well...that ruffled my feathers...

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    Actually, there was no "personal attack" on Nikos. Pointing to Nikos, WHY he has so much conflict on this board sometimes is not a "personal attack". A "personal attack" would be making the accusations that John and Nikos have consistently made in this thread.

    The problem they both have is that a minor disagreement goes immediately into judging and harsh, hostile, accusations against others. It's just bizarre.

    Matter of fact, I'm shocked you moderators have not stepped in to correct them or admonish them to shut it down. CARM mods aren't perfect, but they do edit posts and delete the personal stuff. Not saying that should be implemented here, but I don't think we should suffer through 20 plus pages of foolishness and hostility, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    You mean similarly to the personal attack both you and HE have directed toward me?

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    But I DIDN'T do what Nikos did!



    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    When John had the audacity to reprimand Catchy for something he just did himself...well...that ruffled my feathers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    You mean similarly to the personal attack both you and HE have directed toward me?
    huh?

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    I have stated my beliefs. Now I am through and moving on.

    I'm otta' here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    I have stated my beliefs. Now I am through and moving on.

    I'm otta' here!
    I doubt that

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