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    Repent:
    1. to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
    2. to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

    2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
    A thief may go to jail, a murderer may be executed…
    Those are the laws of MAN.

    Now..nowhere does the Bible tell Christians to PUNISH the repentant by telling them what they can and can’t do in God’s Kingdom.

    We as humans may insist on taking time to observe the repentant before reinstating them to a church job. But I am not convinced that the Bible tells us to have those church jobs to begin with and if we do that He tells us a repentant person can't serve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    You've lost your witness when you throw moral ministry standards under the bus.

    and your credibility.
    With whom? Again...your statement seems to ignore the issue of REPENTANCE...Are you saying that consequences of sin are exacted by God on His repentant children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    With whom? Again...your statement seems to ignore the issue of REPENTANCE...Are you saying that consequences of sin are exacted by God on His repentant children?
    If you paper over your adultery with a new marriage, you have not repented of adultery, you have chosen to stay in it.

    You can play the spiritual shell game if you want to, I won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    True dat. I know an adulterer, so for some reason he decides to open up one day and tell me how he struggles with adultery. So I asked him about his current affair and how that got started, he told me some details, yakety yack and I told him that he is not struggling at all. A struggle indicates some type of fight.

    Thing is with folks who are into adultery, that's just one manifestation of a seriously messed up life. The adultery is just a part of it.

    lying

    betraying

    lusting

    stealing

    truce breaking

    No one ever just woke up in bed one morning with a strange woman, it doesn't work that way.
    Agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    People will dig in to defend their faves, that's for sure.

    1corinthians 3:4 - For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
    Thou dost deflect now...I am defending the character of My God...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Repent:
    1. to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
    2. to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

    2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
    A thief may go to jail, a murderer may be executed…
    Those are the laws of MAN.

    Now..nowhere does the Bible tell Christians to PUNISH the repentant by telling them what they can and can’t do in God’s Kingdom.
    We as humans may insist on taking time to observe the repentant before reinstating them to a church job. But I am not convinced that the Bible tells us to have those church jobs to begin with and if we do that He tells us a repentant person can't serve...
    That's not quite the case. It does discuss the matter of having a good reputation with outsiders. Specifically in relation to becoming an overseer. Having a bad reputation isn't something that one can simply repent of. One may try to work on changing that reputation but one may not actually be able to change it much. Being a minister is a privilige and for the benefit of those ministered to, it is not a lifelong entitlement like with judges in the US and for the benefit of oneself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    We don't "relate" to the lost. that is just another version of "seeker sensitive".

    We preach Christ and Him crucified, God brings the increase.
    And we don't need to change our dress style from tattoos to long sleeves and a tie either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    And we don't need to change our dress style from tattoos to long sleeves and a tie either...
    tattoos, dress shirts..REALLY?

    Wardrobe does not win souls. I would suggest wearing something but really, what that is, is not important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    tattoos, dress shirts..REALLY?

    Wardrobe does not win souls. I would suggest wearing something but really, what that is, is not important.
    What did Paul mean by being a Jew to Jews ? Did he mean to dress up like a Jew and be a pretender or did it mean something deeper ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's not quite the case. It does discuss the matter of having a good reputation with outsiders. Specifically in relation to becoming an overseer. Having a bad reputation isn't something that one can simply repent of. One may try to work on changing that reputation but one may not actually be able to change it much. Being a minister is a privilige and for the benefit of those ministered to, it is not a lifelong entitlement like with judges in the US and for the benefit of oneself.
    "Changing" one's reputation often depends on how long the people who have judged someone want to keep the fire burning.

    Reputation CAN be turned into TESTIMONY by our loving, healing, freeing God.

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