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    Should We Believe the Doom and Gloom Prophecies?

    -I'm sober. My eyes are wide open. I see the conditions in America. I hear the cries of legitimate prophetic voices that are warning us of the destruction they see in the days ahead.

    I've been told Puerto Rico is going to be hit with a massive meteor. I've been told a tsunami on the East Coast will put much of Florida underwater. I've been told a great earthquake is coming that will split the nation in half. I've been told the economy is going to collapse and a widespread famine will see multitudes starve to death.

    I've been told many things. Yet I'm still believing for a Great Awakening. I believe it's going to be just as God told me it would be.

    Yes, I do believe God is disciplining America. Yes, I do believe that we're reaping what we've sown. Yes, I do believe that things are going to get worse before they get better. But I absolutely, positively refuse to buy into the notion that God is not going to pour out His Spirit once again. I reject the idea that widespread transforming revival that sees a great harvest of souls is not possible in America.

    Yes, I believe God does send warnings through prophets. I receive many of these warnings myself and I believe they should be trumpeted with clarity, humility, and weeping. I believe we need to lift up our voices and speak the hard truths so that we don't end up with the blood of lost souls on our hands. But I refuse to lose hope for a Third Great Awakening. Even Isaiah, who offered plenty of prophetic words about judgment, was known as the prophet of hope.

    I stand with men of God like Dutch Sheets and refuse to align myself with doom and gloom prophets who don't make room for the mercy of God that triumphs over judgment (see James 2:13). Sheets, an international best-selling author and speaker and the man who received a revelation about a covenant-keeping God that brought the Appeal to Heaven flag back to the fore, acknowledges that America is at its most significant crossroads since the days of slavery and the Civil War...

    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...oom-prophecies

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Should We Believe the Doom and Gloom Prophecies?
    Yes, because God is speaking basically to two sets of people... Sons (and Daughters) of God which are those who walk with God sincerily being led by the Holy Spirit.

    And then, He is also speaking to those that are stiff neck who refuse to retain the knowledge of God and live in opposition to Him - these people MUST be warned of impeding doom if they do not repent because God loves them and He is giving them opportunity to repent because time is short.

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    It seems to me that 9/11 type prophecies have abounded ever since 9/11 but there were none before 9/11.

    It seems to me that financial crisis type prophecies have abounded since the financial crisis in 2007-2008 but there were few of them before the financial crisis.

    Expecting the past to repeat itself is not the same as foretelling the future.

    1 Cor 14:3 NKJV But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men

    1 Cor 14:3 NIV But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

    Doom and gloom prophecies rarely take on any of the characteristics mentioned in the above verse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It seems to me that 9/11 type prophecies have abounded ever since 9/11 but there were none before 9/11.

    It seems to me that financial crisis type prophecies have abounded since the financial crisis in 2007-2008 but there were few of them before the financial crisis.

    Expecting the past to repeat itself is not the same as foretelling the future.

    1 Cor 14:3 NKJV But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men

    1 Cor 14:3 NIV But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

    Doom and gloom prophecies rarely take on any of the characteristics mentioned in the above verse.
    One of the comments on the original article brought this up. Doom and gloom prophecies do not fit the NT model of what prophecy is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    One of the comments on the original article brought this up. Doom and gloom prophecies do not fit the NT model of what prophecy is.
    The book of Revelation, 1 and 2 Thessalonians and the end time prophecies made by Jesus can be said to be "doom and gloom" prophecies. They set up a framework for understanding some of the most difficult times some of which lay ahead of us. I think the main problem is that many Christians always think that those times are right around the corner and they interpret their immediate surroundings and immediate future in terms of that framework. 9/11, the financial crisis and especially the "next" 9/11 and the "next" financial crisis all become intermeshed with the end time prophecies in the Bible. They may have very little to do with any of those.

    Intermeshing prophecy with end time scenarios is one thing, people also prophecy in that style as if we are supposed to add to the end time prophecies of the Bible in the same fashion. 1 Cor 14:3 suggests that we aren't supposed to simply add doom and gloom. There are mentions of NT prophecies made that did not relate to the end time scenarios :

    Acts 11:27 And in these days prophets came from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28 Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar. 29 Then the disciples, each according to his ability, determined to send relief to the brethren dwelling in Judea. 30 This they also did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

    This isn't a doom and gloom prophecy because the prophecy enabled the disciples to take preventive measures which rendered them strengthened, encouraged and comforted. Rather than weakened, discouraged and discomforted as the world when it happened and, in addition, during the time before it happened. The latter seems to be the only purpose of many of the doom and gloom prophecies circulating, and that is when they do actually come to pass. Many of them do not come to pass or haven't come to pass for decades since they were stated and their only purpose seems to be to create discouragement and discomfort for as long as people are still willing to wait for them to come to pass. They could be prophecies stated by men with various agendas and motivations but they could also simply be the devil who is creating lies for people to believe in and harbor on.

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    Not all doom and gloom prophecies are from God but there may be some which are.

    Western believers are shallow in expecting Prophecies to come to pass quickly as decades in our lives may be long but to God they are a blink of the eye.

    Maybe God is warning but waiting and giving people time to repent.
    We can get it wrong by being gullible and accepting everything or cynical and rejecting everything

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    Prophecy is the exaltation of Jesus Christ, the revealing of His character and His will.

    Most "prophecies" floating around today don't even come close to meeting that standard. The problem isn't so much the prophecies, we are told that many will come.... The problem lies in our misunderstanding of the prophetic realm.

    The "prophetic stream" today puts out a lot of nonsense but the real damage is done by allowing them to define prophetic standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Not all doom and gloom prophecies are from God but there may be some which are.

    Western believers are shallow in expecting Prophecies to come to pass quickly as decades in our lives may be long but to God they are a blink of the eye.

    Maybe God is warning but waiting and giving people time to repent.
    We can get it wrong by being gullible and accepting everything or cynical and rejecting everything
    Some prophecies are conditional but aren't stated in such a way that that is clear or they are promoted by other people than the prophet himself as if they were unconditional. Some are promoted as if their time frame is very imminent and they weren't stated that way. People some times add a lot of things to what God actually did say.
    I'm open to listening to all kinds of prophecies but I tend to wait for the Holy Spirit to confirm things to my heart and if he doesn't then I simply don't take much notice of it. That doesn't necessarily mean that the prophecy is false, it can simply mean that I personally don't need to take much notice of it at the present time. There is so much information out there. People today are dealing with tons more information than people did only 20 years ago before the internet began being used massively. A lot of the time I hear or read a grand prophecy and there is nothing but total silence coming from the Holy Spirit. That could be because God didn't speak at all so he isn't going to confirm what he didn't speak either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Western believers are shallow in expecting Prophecies to come to pass quickly as decades in our lives may be long but to God they are a blink of the eye.
    If there is no indication of the time frame then I would be suspicious of prophecies that are stated and then they don't come to pass while the audience is still alive. Why then would the prophecy be stated at that time ? An example is Hagin's vision in 1950 of (seemingly) a nuclear disaster hitting US cities. The vision is catastrophic enough that we know for sure that it has not come to pass. Was it conditional ? Maybe but there doesn't seem to be a clear indication that it was. Are his audience still alive ? Barely. People will of course read his books now and in the future and read about that prophecy but if it is supposed to take place in 2020, 2050, 2150 then what would be the purpose of giving that prophecy to Hagin back in 1950 ? Some things simply don't make much sense.

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    Yup....here we go. The "gospel of positive thinking" is alive and well in America! So many strawmen, so many logical fallacies....so many dishonest narratives, it makes my head spin, but I'll tackle a few.

    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    -I'm sober. My eyes are wide open. I see the conditions in America. I hear the cries of legitimate prophetic voices that are warning us of the destruction they see in the days ahead.

    I've been told Puerto Rico is going to be hit with a massive meteor. I've been told a tsunami on the East Coast will put much of Florida underwater. I've been told a great earthquake is coming that will split the nation in half. I've been told the economy is going to collapse and a widespread famine will see multitudes starve to death.
    -I've not heard one legitimate prophetic voice mention the words, "Puerto Rico or massive meteor". Ever. Once.
    -I've not heard one legitimate prophetic voice mention the words, "A tsunami will put Florida under water". Ever.
    -I have heard legitimate prophetic voices warn of an economic collapse (myself included....I've had dreams going back many years concerning this). Have not heard anyone say that widespread famine will see multitudes starve to death, though I have heard warnings about gmo crops failing.

    I've been told many things. Yet I'm still believing for a Great Awakening. I believe it's going to be just as God told me it would be.

    Yes, I do believe God is disciplining America. Yes, I do believe that we're reaping what we've sown. Yes, I do believe that things are going to get worse before they get better. But I absolutely, positively refuse to buy into the notion that God is not going to pour out His Spirit once again. I reject the idea that widespread transforming revival that sees a great harvest of souls is not possible in America.
    I want to know what "prophetic voices" she's talking about. Every genuine prophetic voice that I have heard heard, has said in VERY specific terms that a third great awakening is coming to the US. All of them. Without exception. This is poisoning the well and using hyperbolic shrieking to erect ridiculous strawmen. Rick Joyner revamped his entire school and training specifically to accommodate and "fast track" everything they do in terms of education and equipping, for the purpose of reaping the harvest when a third great awakening occurs. I could name dozens of other prophetic leaders that have done this. Mike Bickle is believing God for a coupla hundred thousand to come to Christ in his city and region alone. I could go on and on...this is dishonesty to the max.


    Yes, I believe God does send warnings through prophets. I receive many of these warnings myself and I believe they should be trumpeted with clarity, humility, and weeping. I believe we need to lift up our voices and speak the hard truths so that we don't end up with the blood of lost souls on our hands. But I refuse to lose hope for a Third Great Awakening. Even Isaiah, who offered plenty of prophetic words about judgment, was known as the prophet of hope.
    Again, I cannot think of one prophetic voice that has not specifically said that we are in the days of Isaiah 60, where deep darkness is covering the earth, and deep darkness the people, but the glory of the Lord is rising on His people. Again, this is dishonest. To the max.

    I stand with men of God like Dutch Sheets and refuse to align myself with doom and gloom prophets who don't make room for the mercy of God that triumphs over judgment (see James 2:13). Sheets, an international best-selling author and speaker and the man who received a revelation about a covenant-keeping God that brought the Appeal to Heaven flag back to the fore, acknowledges that America is at its most significant crossroads since the days of slavery and the Civil War...
    Again, this is ridiculous. And Dutch Sheets is a fine man and I respect Dutch Sheets but I will hastily add that one thing I think is going on here. Dutch has been praying for America for a coupla decades now. I think in his soul, it's hard to admit that anything he's done has been in vain. For example. He somewhat missed it in 2008 when he strongly implied that the Republicans would win the presidency. That's why I call some of this stuff, "the gospel of positive thinking". It is not spirit-lead, it is soulish in that it cannot come to terms with anything that would does not comport with anything that would cause duress or stress.

    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...oom-prophecies[/QUOTE]

    I'll add a few more thoughts on this. Here's the problem that I see in the Body of Christ.

    Too many Christians do not understand or respect the messenger gift that has been given by Christ Himself. There are far too many prophets that all bear witness to and with one another about what is coming. John Paul Jackson was receiving very specific, detailed, understanding about these times (2010-2015) back in the mid 80s. Same with Rick Joyner. Rick Joyner wrote about this stuff 25 years ago and JPJ told close friends what God revealed to him, but did not publicly release the Words until 2008, and didn't release EVERYTHING even then, but then in preceding years, released more specifics. So what I'm saying is this. Far too many Christians, especially those in WOF (not picking, just making an observation), who stick with their favorite teachers, believe that their group or camp has the entire understanding of what is happening. They don't understand that there are men and women who have a very specific gift from Christ Himself. That gift is to discern the times, but more importantly, to understand the schemes and wiles of the enemy. This is VERY SPECIFIC. It's not just and only a "prophetic anointing". It's not better than...it's just different.

    So that's the whole problem here. There is an utter lack of recognition about the times and seasons we live in because pastors, teachers, elders, and those who DO NOT possess a specific gift in the prophetic realm, are trying to discern with natural understanding, what is going on. And they put on their positive thinking hat to try and figure it out.

    The valid prophetic voices have been warning for years. For example, Lou Engle was warning about the gay activist movement and what it would do to America going back over a decade. There are people that post here that barely even know who Lou Engle is, yet he is one of many Isacchars that God has raised up for this hour. Most people that post here have never even heard Lou speak outside of a few words on CNN or whatever. Lou was warning the Church to pray about this but again...most of the Church hit the snooze button, rolled over, and went back to sleep, not understanding what was going on. Again....the gospel of positive thinking (BTW, the Holy Spirit is the one that gave me that term, so if you don't like it, take it up with Him) and not the real gospel. I could go on and on, but the bottom line is this. There are many prophetic voices that God Himself has raised up and you can ignore them if you want. No one can force anyone to do anything.

    I know that God has literally been warning me for 8 years about what is coming and I couldn't care less what anyone does or doesn't do, and I'm so used to being ignored, I couldn't care less. My son gets warning dreams as well, and even got one a few weeks ago and again....people aren't going to be prepared. We know what our specific calling and assignment is at this time in our lives and I'm not here to argue or debate about it, and don't really care if anyone listens or doesn't listen. That's pretty much my bottom line.

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