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IMO, the Renewel Movement that have popularized this, are too dogmatic. They use the term, "fear-based" all the time. Some are not respectful of people who disagree with them......I'm not a Preterist and I'm not sitting around wringing my hands, nor am I focused on the rapture at all. Matter of fact, I don't even think about the rapture, and don't know when it will occur.
I say this as someone who goes to a fantastic Renewel Church, and a bunch of A-Millennialsts and Preterists.
I don't think the Renewel leaders who promote this, understand the WHO and the WHAT God is "judging" at the end of the age, but I've said this before and don't feel like arguing about it, because it's a whole other topic.
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People disagree about that, but one could point to "evidence" concerning both dates.
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Wasnt the book of revelation written after 70 AD ?
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What do preterists believe about the consummation of this age? How will it happen? When will it happen? And does the existence of modern Israel, the temple, and Mideast turmoil have any significance to a preterist? And earthquakes, wars and rumors of war, men's love waxing cold, and "as it was in the days of Noah"--all of these have no relevance to the preterist?
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I'm with Bookie.. also, I want to know just when, in any time of history, Jesus was on the throne reigning for 1000 years.
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I looked at preterism briefly after I learned about it on the net years ago. I put it back down and moved on.
I tend to believe the verses about the destruction of the temple were fulfilled. Otherwise, I have at time seen scriptures so spiritualized by some we might as well toss the Bible.
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I'm with Bookie.. also, I want to know just when, in any time of history, Jesus was on the throne reigning for 1000 years.
Not speaking of you, Kay, but I think some might think believe He is ruling through His chosen ones. In the same fashion it has been taught the second coming is only within us.
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Originally Posted by
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I'm with Bookie.. also, I want to know just when, in any time of history, Jesus was on the throne reigning for 1000 years.
A question like that always throws me for a loop because the bulk of Scripture answers your question.
He's the King now, He rules forever and His Kingdom will never end, He's seated on the throne now in fulfillment of prophecy, He's also seated upon the throne of our hearts, He said His Kingdom is now, told Pilate that He is the King, received the Kingdom in its fullness upon resurrection, gave us the keys to the Kingdom (how could He do that, if they weren't His to give?), gave us the Kingdom, rebuilt the tabernacle of David so that all of mankind can seek the Lord, He's King of King and Lord of Lords ... and yes, we rule and reign with Him ... we are kings and priests unto God ... NOW.
I might add one verse of interest (I can provide scripture for everything above, but you should recognize each one by the text between the commas if you know the Word, which I know you and Bookie especially do) ... most dispensationalists would agree that Revelation 2-3 were written to "the churches" we live in today and they super-spiritualize those verses so that THEIR church could be the lukewarm church, etc. So Revelation 3:21 says "to him who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne" ... He's already seated on the throne. He's not up there playing tiddleywinks.
Also consider that Zechariah 6:12-13 says that Jesus will build the temple of the Lord (that would be us, now) and He will bear the honour and sit and RULE on His throne...
"But of the Son He says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His Kingdom" (Heb 1:8) (tons of OT prophecy to back that up)...
Why is the world in such a disastrous mess, then? Because most of the church has been taught that we're not supposed to be doing the ruling-and-reigning thing ...
He must reign (NOW) until He has put all enemies under His feet. Who must reign? Jesus. Who puts them under His feet? Jesus. Who does He use to do that with? Us. The Kingdom is at hand. We are kings and priests unto God with the authority to rule and reign with Him, right here, right now, making earth be as Heaven within our sphere of influence. Now.
That's not hyper-spiritual ... it's co-labouring.
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There seems to be no finality to any of that, one of the cores of the Christian faith is that all evil will come to a final and complete end. That's part of what Jesus died for, to accomplish that and not just as a potentiality.
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There seems to be no finality to any of that, one of the cores of the Christian faith is that all evil will come to a final and complete end. That's part of what Jesus died for, to accomplish that and not just as a potentiality.
He said until all enemies are subdued.
Though I do wonder ... God created Adam, perfect. Adam subsequently sinned. Will that be a possibility in the future?
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Thats part of it, that everything is subjected to Jesus and then he is all in all and sin can no longer exist because it cannot exist in him.
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