Thread: Stern Prophetic Word for 2016 in 30 days

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

That scripture over the years has been misused and taken out of context

Esau had the first born call and blessing and he lost it and could never get it back
Saul even though he remained natural King operated under an evil spirit as the Holy Spirit DEPARTED from him
Israel as a NATION lost its call to evangelise the world..... they lost their call to even be a nation for 1900 years so millions of Jews in the process lost their call to have a homeland
Solomon's son Rehoboam lost 10 tribes when the call was to rule ALL Israel
When Israel left Egypt the MAJORITY did not make the promised land and died...they lost their call


This happens all the time....God calls someone to a ministry but they can lose it by sin or breaking the law
The actual call to pastor a church is lost forever and many times never recovered

Good points. I've always cringed at the absolutist way the verse has been used, often to support the reinstating of fallen ministers who may or may not have repented.

2 Samuel 7:12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.
15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you.

This doesn't suit the cinderella mentality where certain individuals are seen as so called (and specially loved ?) by God that they have a birthright in the halls of fame, power and fortune.

If they can't get back because of a destroyed reputation or a long prison sentence, then there is always somewhere to employ the gift if it is still there. Either somewhere out there where they don't know the name or face, or inside prison if that is where the person is going to remain for a while. It may not imply the same fame, power and fortune but that has little to do with the gift in and of itself.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Good points. I've always cringed at the absolutist way the verse has been used, often to support the reinstating of fallen ministers who may or may not have repented.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

That scripture over the years has been misused and taken out of context

Esau had the first born call and blessing and he lost it and could never get it back
Saul even though he remained natural King operated under an evil spirit as the Holy Spirit DEPARTED from him
Israel as a NATION lost its call to evangelise the world..... they lost their call to even be a nation for 1900 years so millions of Jews in the process lost their call to have a homeland
Solomon's son Rehoboam lost 10 tribes when the call was to rule ALL Israel
When Israel left Egypt the MAJORITY did not make the promised land and died...they lost their call


This happens all the time....God calls someone to a ministry but they can lose it by sin or breaking the law
The actual call to pastor a church is lost forever and many times never recovered

Christians have divorced and decades later regret it because they know they lost their marriage for carnal reasons
They can never get that marriage back again
God of course can give them a new start but all the plans of God for that marriage are lost

I agree, but I also think what it means is that they are never revoked in that you're called to be what you're called to be, and your giftings are you giftings, but it's no guarantee that you will never 'lose' them in the sense that you won't necessarily always operate in them due to sin, etc., not that you actually 'lose' it in the sense you aren't called to be that any more.

We are all called to salvation and God has a plan for everyone's life. We are all called to be priests and to reign in life by faith. Noone is called to lose salvation. Beyond that, God may change his plans for us during our lifetimes based on what we do or fail to do. Everything isn't by exhaustive foreknowledge, God does operate along with us within time and people sometimes don't end up walking in step with his best plan for them. At some point, his original intentions for them may not make sense anymore.

An extreme example would be a well known minister who becomes a convicted pedophile. I don't think God would force anyone to reinstate that person as a children's minister after they got out of prison. That calling will simply have come to an end, whether the person repents or not. Titus and 1-2 Timothy talk about the need for having a good reputation, not just a good character. Repentance works for character but not necessarily for reputation.

Originally Posted by Colonel

We are all called to salvation and God has a plan for everyone's life. We are all called to be priests and to reign in life by faith. Noone is called to lose salvation. Beyond that, God may change his plans for us during our lifetimes based on what we do or fail to do. Everything isn't by exhaustive foreknowledge, God does operate along with us within time and people sometimes don't end up walking in step with his best plan for them. At some point, his original intentions for them may not make sense anymore.

An extreme example would be a well known minister who becomes a convicted pedophile. I don't think God would force anyone to reinstate that person as a children's minister after they got out of prison. That calling will simply have come to an end, whether the person repents or not. Titus and 1-2 Timothy talk about the need for having a good reputation, not just a good character. Repentance works for character but not necessarily for reputation.

Right. What I am saying is that calling would have 'simply come to an end' as you said, but in practice, not that God actually removed the call so to speak. But that's splitting hairs. The call had functionally and practically speaking come to an end.

Originally Posted by fuego

Right. What I am saying is that calling would have 'simply come to an end' as you said, but in practice, not that God actually removed the call so to speak. But that's splitting hairs. The call had functionally and practically speaking come to an end.

God's best plan remains God's best plan. The children's minister should have avoided molesting children and if he had then it would have been possible to be reinstated, if he had done something else that was less severe.

Originally Posted by fuego

Right. What I am saying is that calling would have 'simply come to an end' as you said, but in practice, not that God actually removed the call so to speak. But that's splitting hairs. The call had functionally and practically speaking come to an end.

I agree with what you are saying. The problem arises when believers use the verse as a 'cliche' assuming that is the answer to problems

For instance Pastor X stole all the money in the bank and ripped off the members with a pyramid scheme but praise God, hallelujah, he is merciful and God used him to heal me and hes a wonderful preacher and baptised my kids and remember the gifts and calling of God are without repentance so everyone has to let it all go, so when he comes out of prison he can pastor the church again and have access to the funds

Its actually comical .......... but that is how some believers actually think and assume it is spiritual

Sounds like they want Jesus to be their pastor again, the one they saw in the pastor. People are some times confused about who is who and who is doing what.

About 5-15 he speaks of trying to imitate another's ministry. This rang really true to me as about a year ago the Holy Spirit had me teach the class to be careful about criticizing or coveting another's gifting or calling..There are times I get the impression some are trying to force everyone into the mold of their own walk and calling and gift...this is a dangerous and false spirit at work because it attempts to usurp the leading and authority of the Holy Spirit.

Elymas...self declaring rather than trusting the Holy Spirit to elevate and confirm His callings and gifts by power and demonstration...

And Elymas tries to make a noose to destroy true ministries in order to elevate their own false one.

Originally Posted by Pentecali

-Catastrophic event coming to America in 30-45 days. Not sure when this was posted but I think it was fairly recent
-According to this prophet, God is going to humble President Obama because he's taken a position of pride and arrogance
- Saw him apologizing to the American people after this attack that created opportunities for attacks
- Saw him trying to bring calm and peace to the people
- Coming tensions could bring marshal law
- God is also getting ready to humble arrogant pastors

That pretty much sums it up

I guess we shall see?



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Where is that in the video?