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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    To quote Daniel again,

    Dan 4:17 This sentence is by the decree of the angelic watchers,
    And the decision is a command of the holy ones,
    In order that the living may know
    That the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind,
    And He grants it to whomever He wishes
    And sets over it the lowliest of people


    Dan 2:21 It is He who changes the times and the periods;
    He removes kings and appoints kings;
    He gives wisdom to wise men
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    Yes, "Satan was then and still is the god of this present evil world system", but where does the Bible say that God only appoints good rulers? I read something recently (I can't remember where so I have no chance of finding it) that the Bible talks a lot more about God's wrath then his love. And anyway suggesting that "God and Satan have been in a chess match since the fall. God working on behalf of mankind and Satan working to destroy mankind", isn't that putting them on an equal footing?
    No! Its the devils nature to kill, steal and destroy (Jn10:10).
    God is merciful, and will resort to His wrath after his patience and warning has continually been ignored.
    Satan has no mercy, and if it wasn't for God's love and protection over us OZ, the devil would have killed us off long ago before we had a chance to get born-again.
    God is compassionate and merciful. Satan is filled with hatred, murder and death. No comparison or equal footing whatsoever.
    Satan has been fighting against God for thousands of years. He's a loser and won't quit until he's cast into the lake of fire.
    He hates the last book of the Bible because we win and he loses.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    No! Its the devils nature to kill, steal and destroy (Jn10:10).
    God is merciful, and will resort to His wrath after his patience and warning has continually been ignored.
    Satan has no mercy, and if it wasn't for God's love and protection over us OZ, the devil would have killed us off long ago before we had a chance to get born-again.
    God is compassionate and merciful. Satan is filled with hatred, murder and death. No comparison or equal footing whatsoever.
    Satan has been fighting against God for thousands of years. He's a loser and won't quit until he's cast into the lake of fire.
    He hates the last book of the Bible because we win and he loses.
    To play a game with someone and have it go on and on means that the people involved are at a similar level of ability does it not? Unless the stronger is just playing with the weaker.

    Is God playing games with Satan?

    Here's what Habakkuk says that God says:

    5 "Look among the nations! Watch!
    Be horrified! Be frightened speechless!
    For I am accomplishing a work in your days—
    You would not believe it even if you were told!

    6 For behold, I am raising up the Chaldeans,
    That grim and impetuous people
    Who march throughout the earth,
    To take possession of dwelling places that are not theirs.

    7 They are terrifying and feared;
    Their justice and authority originate with themselves.

    8 Their horses are faster than leopards,
    And quicker than wolves in the evening.
    Their horsemen charge along,
    Their horsemen come from afar;
    They fly like an eagle swooping down to devour.

    9 All of them come for violence.
    Their horde of faces moves forward.
    They gather captives like sand.

    10 They make fun of kings,
    And dignitaries are an object of laughter to them.
    They laugh at every fortress,
    Then heap up dirt and capture it.

    11 Then they fly along like the wind and pass on.
    But they will be held guilty,
    They whose strength is their god."

    P.S. where does the Bible say that God only appoints good rulers? Daniel and Habakkuk don't seem to think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Where does the Bible say that God only appoints good rulers? Daniel and [/COLOR]Habakkuk don't seem to think so.
    Good Question! I don't Know! Did God appoint Pol Pot? Was God responsible for the "killing fields?"
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Good Question! I don't Know! Did God appoint Pol Pot? Was God responsible for the "killing fields?"
    I think the implicit "allow because of their sins" is relevant here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Good Question! I don't Know!
    How firm a statement should we make about God if the reality is "we don't know"?

    But I guess you have a preferred answer to the question of God appointing all rulers because you ask "Did God appoint Pol Pot? Was God responsible for the "killing fields?""

    You're aware are you not that they're different questions? "Was God responsible for the "killing fields?"" is an easy one, of course not, man is responsible for everything he does, not God.

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    I think this is a form of 'having one's cake and eating it too;' crediting God with everything good that happens yet saying everything bad is NOT God's doing.

    It may well have been God's will that Hitler come to power, so as to indirectly create the nation of Israel a decade and a half later.

    If God is in control, He's in control of everything, period. I think there is just this reluctance to accept that God can make something bad happen, even though this same God told Jerusalem to surrender to Babylon, used Assyrians, Moabites and other such enemies to discipline Israel, etc.

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    It may well have been God's will that Hitler come to power,
    I do not believe that
    God gave people a free will, and that makes them able to make very bad decisions with even worst outcomes
    I am sure there would have been other ways to create Israel as a nation again
    God not only gave people a free will, he also allows the fruits of decisions to a certain point

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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post
    I do not believe that
    God gave people a free will, and that makes them able to make very bad decisions with even worst outcomes
    I am sure there would have been other ways to create Israel as a nation again
    God not only gave people a free will, he also allows the fruits of decisions to a certain point
    God's not behind the Trump loss-mans-jpg

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    The logic of some:

    Obama winning in 2008 = "This was NOT God's will"
    Trump winning in 2016 = "This IS God's will"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    The logic of some:

    Obama winning in 2008 = "This was NOT God's will"
    Trump winning in 2016 = "This IS God's will"
    Are you a Calvinist ?

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