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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Sorry, I misunderstood.

    However everything must eventually be interpreted through the Bible. Here's what he said prior to that:

    Another page features a little boy who looks something like - some of you will remember – Howdy Doody, something like that, with his hands lifted up, a dotted outline pictures where his lungs would be. This evidently represents his spirit. Inside the lung-shaped diagram is printed this "BAH-LE ODOMA TA LAH-SE-TA NO-MO." A cartoon-style balloon then comes out of his mouth and repeats the words "BAH-LE ODOMA TA LAH-SE-TA NO-MO." A brain-shaped cloud is drawn in his head with a large question mark in the cloud.


    Do you understand the picture? These words are in the spirit, and they come out of his mouth, but a question mark is in his brain. This is how they plant, in a kindergarten child, the idea that tongues goes from the spirit to the mouth without ever going through the brain, that it is some kind of a mystical, non-cognitive experience that somehow bypasses the brain.
    That is exactly what tongues do. They bypass the brain. I actually think it's a pretty good illustration.

    You can pray in tongues and think other thoughts at the same time. Why? Because the source of tongues is from the Spirit in a person's spirit like the illustration. The language is not generated from the mind or does it pass through the mind. Anybody that actually prays in tongues knows this. That's what I mean by not letting a non-Charismatic interpret Charismatic literature. They are trying to interpret something they couldn't possibly understand because they don't do it. I expect that illustration to be strange to a non-Charismatic because they don't understand how it works. The illustration makes perfect sense to me and is a good illustration of how tongues operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I think I have.

    However I don't claim to be a prophet, and on the few times I've said something it has been in a small group and I've always qualified what I've said with something like "I think ..." or "I feel ...".

    Now I know some folk want to ignore the OT, but God makes it quiet clear what He feels saying, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak ... that same prophet shall die'". (Deut 18:20).

    Christianity is not a game. The gifts are not toys. The GNT says "What you say can preserve life or destroy it; so you must accept the consequences of your words" (Prov 18:21). Deut 18:20 is saying that a true prophet actually knows if the word has come from God or not, so we are without excuse aren't we?
    You are aware of the fact that according to your sins after you became a Christian, the OT prescribes that you should be put to death and probably several times over ?

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    You are aware of the fact that according to your sins after you became a Christian, the OT prescribes that you should be put to death and probably several times over ?
    Yes, I am fully aware of exactly how sinful my sin is; how evil that makes me; and how grateful I am to God that it was because of His grace that He saved me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Yes, I am fully aware of exactly how sinful my sin is; how evil that makes me; and how grateful I am to God that it was because of His grace that He saved me.
    So why do you judge failing prophets according to the OT law when you're equally guilty yourself ?

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    So why do you judge failing prophets according to the OT law when you're equally guilty yourself ?
    We're told (commanded) to judge righteously Colonel.

    What I said: God makes it quiet clear what He feels saying, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak ... that same prophet shall die'". (Deut 18:20).
    Intent of saying that: to point out how seriously God takes Himself and takes His word. Anyone pretending to be God is setting himself up as above God and God will not have that. Such a person was to immediately stand before God and answer for his open rebellion.

    What I said: Christianity is not a game.
    Intent of saying that: because some people take it rather casually

    What I said: The gifts are not toys.
    Intent of saying that: again, because some take the gifts rather casually. They are not gifts to us, but to the Church for the edification of the body. They are to be used and treated with the utmost respect with all glory going to God.

    What I said: Deut 18:20 is saying that a true prophet actually knows if the word has come from God or not, so we are without excuse aren't we?
    Intent of saying that: If someone believes they have something from God and shares it, well and good. But if someone claims to be a prophet of God and then says something is from God but it isn't, then they are not a prophet. They are a false prophet. In OT times they'd be dead, in other words they do not get a second chance. We may not stone them these days, but for the protection of the Church we can't afford to give them a second chance.

    Here's a recent worldly example of what can happen when evil people get a second chance: Police: Rape Suspect Gets Released From Jail Over COVID, Allegedly Murders His Accuser | The Daily Wire

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    I suggest that you try judging prophets by NT standards since you're not going to judge yourself according to OT standards. I haven't seen you post any verses from the NT about prophets or prophecy.

    It's easy to judge other people who are doing something that you yourself aren't doing, for instance to prophesy. I suggest you apply the same standards to what you are actually doing yourself, or you are found to be a hypocrite. Maybe even "an accuser of the brethren".

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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I suggest that you try judging prophets by NT standards since you're not going to judge yourself according to OT standards. I haven't seen you post any verses from the NT about prophets or prophecy.
    Does the NT say much about prophets?

    Of teachers James says "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." Teachers take the word of God already received; and accepted; and debated for centuries; and explain it to us. Yet for doing that they will be judged more strictly. And as we know two people can come up with two different things from the same verses.

    On top of that we are warned about false teachers who apparently are intentional in getting it wrong.

    So when we come to prophets, who claim to be saying something directly from God for now, why would God accept anything other than 100% accuracy from them now as He demanded in the OT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    And what you posted there is totally interpreted wrong by Mac. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Total error.
    I believe he's wrong about the BHS too.

    However as particularly I, but also anyone who's taught me on the subject has had minimal Bible training, and JMac has studied it for years, in his original employment at Grace Church studying it for several hours a day, it seems ungrateful to just dismiss him out of hand.

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