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    Funfromoz, have you ever thought that you heard from the Lord about something and then later you found that you were mistaken?
    I think I have.

    However I don't claim to be a prophet, and on the few times I've said something it has been in a small group and I've always qualified what I've said with something like "I think ..." or "I feel ...".

    Now I know some folk want to ignore the OT, but God makes it quiet clear what He feels saying, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak ... that same prophet shall die'". (Deut 18:20).

    Christianity is not a game. The gifts are not toys. The GNT says "What you say can preserve life or destroy it; so you must accept the consequences of your words" (Prov 18:21). Deut 18:20 is saying that a true prophet actually knows if the word has come from God or not, so we are without excuse aren't we?

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    I will never be accused of being a Johnny Mac fan. In his book "Charismatic Chaos", MacArthur is quoted as saying those who speak in tongues ARE OF THE DEVIL. I had the book but soon ripped it up and tossed it in the garbage. He also said the same on his radio program "Grace" To You. I remember well that morning the spring of 1985 when he said it.

    He knows not what spirit he is of. Period.
    Haven't read the book and can't find a Kindle version. Found a YouTube to listen to though. There are also a series of 13 talks on Charismatics on gty.org [with text for those who prefer to read] (https://www.gty.org/library/topical-...rismatic-chaos) and the one on speaking on tongues doesn't say that tongues are of the devil. (he does quote another writer who says this, "Charismatic writers are constantly warning tongue speakers that they will suffer a letdown. This is ascribed to the Devil, and the reader is urged to get refilled as soon as possible" but that is the only time the word 'devil' is spoken).

    I'll listen to the YouTube later in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    I will never be accused of being a Johnny Mac fan. In his book "Charismatic Chaos", MacArthur is quoted as saying those who speak in tongues ARE OF THE DEVIL. I had the book but soon ripped it up and tossed it in the garbage. He also said the same on his radio program "Grace" To You. I remember well that morning the spring of 1985 when he said it.

    He knows not what spirit he is of. Period.
    If you want to read a bunch of teaching by Mac on the gifts and tongues embalmed in unbelief and why they have all ceased, go here:

    https://www.gty.org/library/study-gu...ing-in-tongues

    He also says that the gift the Corinthians were operating in were "Well, as it turned out, the gifts that they were demonstrating were, for the most part, fleshly or satanic counterfeits.

    He may have taken the part about tongues being of the devil out of his book.

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    He may have taken the part about tongues being of the devil out of his book.
    He did a revised version rather quickly due to the outcry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    He also says that the gift the Corinthians were operating in were "Well, as it turned out, the gifts that they were demonstrating were, for the most part, fleshly or satanic counterfeits.
    I haven't heard that yet, but in the one I'm listening to he says:

    Someone sent me a sample of some charismatic Sunday school literature which is designed specifically to teach kindergarten children how to speak in tongues. It's titled "I've Been Filled with the Holy Spirit," and it's an eight-page coloring book. One page has a caricature of a smiling weightlifter with a T-shirt, and it says "Spirit Man." And under him is printed 1 Corinthians 14:4, "He that speaks in an unknown tongue builds himself up."
    That something you're happy with Biblically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I haven't heard that yet, but in the one I'm listening to he says:



    That something you're happy with Biblically?
    I would have to see it. It may be teaching them how to RECEIVE the baptism in the Holy Spirit, not actually teaching them to speak in tongues. You can't actually teach somebody to speak in tongues. I don't let someone who isn't Charismatic interpret my Charismatic literature for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I haven't heard that yet, but in the one I'm listening to he says:
    It's at the link I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I would have to see it. It may be teaching them how to RECEIVE the baptism in the Holy Spirit, not actually teaching them to speak in tongues. You can't actually teach somebody to speak in tongues. I don't let someone who isn't Charismatic interpret my Charismatic literature for me.
    I'm going out now but will have to go back in it, because he does give examples of people trying to teach others how to speak in tongues.

    "I don't let someone who isn't Charismatic interpret my Charismatic literature for me". What he's trying to do is interpret the Bible correctly. If people get it different we have to understand why.

    For instance JMac says,

    1 Corinthians 14:14, "If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful." In both cases, they have misrepresented the intention of those verses.


    The first verse, they assume speaking in an unknown tongue builds someone up, when in fact, Paul was saying it in a negative sense: it puffs up your ego or it, at best, if you do it in private, would benefit you, which would be selfish and contrary to any proper use of spiritual gifts.


    And the second one, "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, and my understanding is unfruitful," is a way to say, "Don't do that, because what's the point in having an unfruitful understanding?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I'm going out now but will have to go back in it, because he does give examples of people trying to teach others how to speak in tongues.

    "I don't let someone who isn't Charismatic interpret my Charismatic literature for me". What he's trying to do is interpret the Bible correctly. If people get it different we have to understand why.

    No, they're trying to interpret what that comic book is trying to do. I don't let non-Charismatics interpret Charismatic literature for me. I need to see that comic book for myself to see what it's trying to do.

    For instance JMac says,

    1 Corinthians 14:14, "If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful." In both cases, they have misrepresented the intention of those verses.


    The first verse, they assume speaking in an unknown tongue builds someone up, when in fact, Paul was saying it in a negative sense: it puffs up your ego or it, at best, if you do it in private, would benefit you, which would be selfish and contrary to any proper use of spiritual gifts.


    And the second one, "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, and my understanding is unfruitful," is a way to say, "Don't do that, because what's the point in having an unfruitful understanding?"
    And what you posted there is totally interpreted wrong by Mac. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Total error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    No, they're trying to interpret what that comic book is trying to do. I don't let non-Charismatics interpret Charismatic literature for me. I need to see that comic book for myself to see what it's trying to do.
    Sorry, I misunderstood.

    However everything must eventually be interpreted through the Bible. Here's what he said prior to that:

    Another page features a little boy who looks something like - some of you will remember – Howdy Doody, something like that, with his hands lifted up, a dotted outline pictures where his lungs would be. This evidently represents his spirit. Inside the lung-shaped diagram is printed this "BAH-LE ODOMA TA LAH-SE-TA NO-MO." A cartoon-style balloon then comes out of his mouth and repeats the words "BAH-LE ODOMA TA LAH-SE-TA NO-MO." A brain-shaped cloud is drawn in his head with a large question mark in the cloud.


    Do you understand the picture? These words are in the spirit, and they come out of his mouth, but a question mark is in his brain. This is how they plant, in a kindergarten child, the idea that tongues goes from the spirit to the mouth without ever going through the brain, that it is some kind of a mystical, non-cognitive experience that somehow bypasses the brain.

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