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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    How do you chase a guy who's wielding a tazer without shooting him from a distance ? Are they supposed to get closer to him so that it will be easier for him to taze them ?
    Is there justification for shooting a guy that's running off with a taser period? It appears he did turn around and try to tase him. But you're going to trade a life for getting shocked? Yeah obviously, if he had of tased him then he could've taken his weapon and killed him. It's a real dilemma. I can't purport to know how an officer really feels in a situation that is escalated like that when him and his fellow officer basically just got overcome by one guy and he's running off with a taser. No matter how we're trained, it's a highly emotional and volatile situation. It's very hard to judge these situations And to know how we would act in the same situation.

    I do believe that's one reason why the mayor shouldn't have fired the person without knowing all the circumstances and not watching video. That's a very reactionary thing to do just because of the current climate. It's not a simple black-and-white situation (no pun intended) that can just be judged and handled immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Is there justification for shooting a guy that's running off with a taser period? It appears he did turn around and try to tase him. But you're going to trade a life for getting shocked? Yeah obviously, if he had of tased him then he could've taken his weapon and killed him. It's a real dilemma. I can't purport to know how an officer really feels in a situation that is escalated like that when him and his fellow officer basically just got overcome by one guy and he's running off with a taser. No matter how we're trained, it's a highly emotional and volatile situation. It's very hard to judge these situations And to know how we would act in the same situation.

    I do believe that's one reason why the mayor shouldn't have fired the person without knowing all the circumstances and not watching video. That's a very reactionary thing to do just because of the current climate. It's not a simple black-and-white situation (no pun intended) that can just be judged and handled immediately.
    I don't know if he was already outside the possible range of the taser (the normal range is about 10 feet) but he had already used physical force against the police officers, had then acquired a dangerous weapon and if he was in a position to use that weapon then the natural thing would be to incapacitate him from a distance and as quickly as possible. Especially since he was drunk and not likely to act and react in a rational manner, he might have tried to taze one officer without taking heed of the fact that the other officer would then most certainly have fired at him.
    I'm pretty sure that if this hadn't happened in the wake of the Floyd incident then this wouldn't have become the media story that it has become. There is too much emotion involved at the moment.

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    You brought up the question of whether or not a police officer should shoot someone who's trying to use a taser on him and is within range. Should he stand by and let him taze him simply because the taser is less dangerous than the gun is ? Would you have done so if you had a gun and someone was about to use a taser on you, a weapon that will probably not but not certainly not kill you ? Then there's the question of what he will do next while you are down and out because of the tazing. Grab your gun while he's at it ? That would "resolve" the situation, for him.

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    I'm the same way on this one. No way should this have resulted in a shooting death. But it is also a lesson in not resisting the police either. That doesn't justify what was done, but on the other hand it never would've happened if he hadn't resisted. He would have gone to jail and probably been out the next day. But now he's dead because he had to fight back.
    Actually he probably would have gone back to prison.

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    Better to be in prison than dead, I suppose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    ... I'm pretty sure that if this hadn't happened in the wake of the Floyd incident then this wouldn't have become the media story that it has become
    And I'm pretty sure that if this had been your son, brother, father, uncle,or nephew, that you might feel a little different about the whole "shoot-a-fleeing-suspect-in-the-back" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    And I'm pretty sure that if this had been your son, brother, father, uncle,or nephew, that you might feel a little different about the whole "shoot-a-fleeing-suspect-in-the-back" thing.

    If he hadn't taken the taser first then yes. If he had turned his back on them and had kept running them maybe.

    According to Fuego, he did try to taze them with the taser. Don't take weapons from cops then turn them against them and expect not to be neutralized if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    Better to be in prison than dead, I suppose?
    Just what I was going to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    You brought up the question of whether or not a police officer should shoot someone who's trying to use a taser on him and is within range. Should he stand by and let him taze him simply because the taser is less dangerous than the gun is ? Would you have done so if you had a gun and someone was about to use a taser on you, a weapon that will probably not but not certainly not kill you ? Then there's the question of what he will do next while you are down and out because of the tazing. Grab your gun while he's at it ? That would "resolve" the situation, for him.
    They guy was running and drunk and turned around and tried to shoot it, it appeared. While on the run. And he had already turned back and started running away again when shot. So, if he's running away, and you're going to shoot, and he's not actually coming at you, just try and hit him in the leg or something. I mean I'm all for suing deadly force if it's warranted. IMO it just didn't seem so in this instance.

    And again, I have no idea what it's like to be a cop in a circumstance like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    How do you chase a guy who's wielding a tazer without shooting him from a distance ? Are they supposed to get closer to him so that it will be easier for him to taze them ?
    Very good question.

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