Thread: This will be it for Ben Carson...

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

You cannot be a conservative and get caught lying and expect to win anything.

Got that right. If it's a liberal it's just par for the course and the media doesn't even care.

Ben Carson defends his telling of an offer from West Point



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...did-not-apply/

Just saw this too:

No, Ben Carson Didn't Lie About West Point. It's Another Media Hit Job.

Never underestimate the capacity of the media to propagandize against Republicans.

That’s the theme of this morning’s overwrought news coverage on Dr. Ben Carson’s supposed “lie” regarding a “scholarship” to West Point. The story began with Politico, which ran with the audacious headline, “Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship.” Even I was taken in by the headline – after all, that’s a pretty bold claim!

Politico began thusly:

Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The key word here is “fabricated.” Did the Carson campaign admit any such thing? Absolutely not. The facts reported by Politico don’t even support this interpretation of the Carson campaign’s response.

According to Politico, Carson said in his 1992 memoir Gifted Hands that he was offered a “full scholarship” to West Point after dining with General William Westmoreland in 1969. Here’s the relevant passage from Carson’s autobiography:

At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going.

That’s the entire relevant portion of Carson’s account. He reiterated that account last month in an interview with Charlie Rose, when he said, “I was offered a full scholarship at West Point, got to meet General Westmoreland and go to Congressional Medal of Honor dinners. But decided really my pathway would be medicine.”

Politico followed up on this story. They reported one additional piece of information that seems to conflict with Carson’s story: Carson never applied to West Point, and was never extended admission.

But Carson never said he applied. He said he was extended a full scholarship offer. What’s more, West Point doesn’t offer scholarships: all admission is free contingent on serving in the military afterwards. It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education...

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no...ts-ben-shapiro

Originally Posted by Quest

Ps..are you kidding? every single conservative we have ever elected lied about something...even if it was stealing candy in the 1st grade!

In conservative politics, this is a death sentence. The liberals, who champion liars, will sick the news media on this and soon Mr Carson will be totally un-electable. This is how politics in the US works.

This is why Trump may be a better candidate because out of all of the people running for the repub nomination... he seems to be the only one who the media cannot destroy.

We're almost assuredly going to get Hillary for 8 years anyway so this is all most likely a moot point.

The majority of this nation's citizens are liberals who enjoy their sinful lifestyles and government freebies, plus Hillary will continue deconstructing this nation which has to happen to make way for the one world government and the anti-christ along with his side kick the pope as false prophet

Originally Posted by Pentecali

If Ben lied, he's toast. West Point is just something you don't lie about.

A good campaign manager would have told the media to speak with Mr Carson about that.

Here's another piece where the "journalist" admits he flat out lied:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/06/...zQmMeo.twitter

Ben Carson did NOT lie about anything. They twisted the story. Why are we sitting here accepting what the LIBERAL news media says about a good man? Farm Truck, you of all people should have known better before posting that crap.

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

...Just hours later, though, this opening line was removed entirely and Politico's accusation significantly scaled back.

"Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson on Friday conceded that he never applied nor was granted admission to West Point," the new lede says. While the difference may appear slight, the change is dramatic, as Carson is no longer accused of fabricating anything...

Actually saying someone conceded to an untruth is pretty much the same thing.

Originally Posted by Femme*

Here's another piece where the "journalist" admits he flat out lied:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/06/...zQmMeo.twitter

Femme's article caught that too:

"...The cleaned-up story still says that Carson "conceded that he never applied nor was granted admission to West Point." To concede is to admit that something is true."

Another good point here too:

"...The original story claimed that Carson also lied by claiming he was offered a full scholarship to West Point since the service academy is entirely taxpayer funded. Or, as Politico put it: "indeed there are no 'full scholarships,' per se." The only problem with this is that the academy itself describes this benefit as a "full scholarship."

Originally Posted by victoryword

Ben Carson did NOT lie about anything. They twisted the story.... Farm Truck, you of all people should have known better before posting that crap.

There was nothing wrong about posting the story per se, it made it into the national news and it was going to be discussed by many, a heads up is good thing.

What does puzzle me tho is why he immediately believed it to be true.

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

Unfortunately, they have found dirt on Ben Carson and his campaign it admitting it... so politically he's about done.

You cannot get caught in a lie and have conservative voters view it favorably....

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

...I thought we was an otherwise nice guy, but apparently he failed in one of God's most basic and simply teachings... don't lie!