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Norwegians are over diagnosed on mild mental diseases. Everyone can afford to get a diagnosis and to receive treatment and MDs hand them out easily. In other countries people stay away from the doctors office until things get much worse.
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From the article:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act." Not to vote for Trump empowers the people who hate you and your children. If they ever succeed in all their plans to change our precious land of the free into a socialist state, it is game-over for the last truly free country on earth. Stand up for liberty, pray for those in Washington, and vote for those who love America. We as believers can and must turn this nation back to God!
I seriously cannot comprehend a Christian that wouldn't vote for Trump. Seriously beyond my understanding.
Character matters. We pounced on Clinton for his lack of character, particularly his sexual immorality. Now we have a president who has boasted of his sexual immorality and we excuse him for political gain. I do not think this is of God...unless, as I said, it's form of judgment for our national sins. In the eyes of many unbelievers we Christians are now identified with the acceptance of pride, arrogance, sexual immorality, lying, and name-calling. All for political gain! What a poor trade-off. If we think Trump is going to save us, we really need to get back on our knees. If God IS using Trump to turn the country around, I'll be among the first to eat my words. Right now, I can only think Trump will hurt the cause of Christ in America.
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Character matters. We pounced on Clinton for his lack of character, particularly his sexual immorality. Now we have a president who has boasted of his sexual immorality and we excuse him for political gain. I do not think this is of God...unless, as I said, it's form of judgment for our national sins. In the eyes of many unbelievers we Christians are now identified with the acceptance of pride, arrogance, sexual immorality, lying, and name-calling. All for political gain! What a poor trade-off. If we think Trump is going to save us, we really need to get back on our knees. If God IS using Trump to turn the country around, I'll be among the first to eat my words. Right now, I can only think Trump will hurt the cause of Christ in America.
What matters the most, the president's lack of morals or policies that promote the degeneration of morals among millions of citizens ?
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What matters the most, the president's lack of morals or policies that promote the degeneration of morals among millions of citizens ?
You're kidding, right? His example promotes the degeneration of morals among millions of citizens. "But Dad, you love Trump and he did the sort of thing you're mad at me for."
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You're kidding, right? His example promotes the degeneration of morals among millions of citizens. "But Dad, you love Trump and he did the sort of thing you're mad at me for."
I don't think people care that much about what he does, in the positive sense. Laws and the school system are much more powerful examples than some or other president's lifestyle is.
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No, I still can't support him. Once again, I'll vote third party. I'll only vote for Trump if the election is close. Trump is dishonest. He spins his excuses to his advantage. He bullies. He's a name-caller. He's not a good man. As for his being a "baby Christian" as James Dobson reported in 2016, I'd counter: isn't it time this baby Christian showed some signs of maturity? His words at the prayer breakfast were totally inappropriate.
Oh, I don't doubt God elevated him to the presidency. But I fear it's more likely to be a foreshadowing of God's judgment for our many national sins. I appreciate his appointment of conservative justices, but that's about all. If another conservative could or would enter the primaries, I'd eagerly support him or her. If it's Bernie versus Trump, the time will be perfect for the emergence of a strong third party. Both men are unacceptable as president.
Do I pray for Trump? YES! But I will not vote for him.
He's a disgrace to the conservative cause.
I fear too many Christians are misplacing their faith in Trump. We need PRAYER for America, period!
So if your faith is in prayer and not Trump then why talk about Trump at all. Why criticize him ? Why not just pray .. ??
And per the conservative cause thingy .. chief I have seen you on this forum for years now .. you have never been about no conservative cause ...
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Originally Posted by
fuego
From the article:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act." Not to vote for Trump empowers the people who hate you and your children. If they ever succeed in all their plans to change our precious land of the free into a socialist state, it is game-over for the last truly free country on earth. Stand up for liberty, pray for those in Washington, and vote for those who love America. We as believers can and must turn this nation back to God!
I seriously cannot comprehend a Christian that wouldn't vote for Trump. Seriously beyond my understanding.
Its the perfect example of folks quibbling over the handful of weeds in the yard while the main house burns ......
I guess we should have also rejected the civil rights movement because Martin Luther King was a philanderer and a plagiarist ...
Or we should have let Hitler have Europe after-all our Soviet Allies weren't exactly Saints themselves
... or Perhaps Father Abraham should have sat out the battle of the Kings and let them keep his nephew Lot instead of aligning himself with heathen kings .
..Or we should have rejected Luthers reformation and stayed catholic after all Luther was anti-semitic.
Heck at this rate the only person we should ever vote for aor align with politically is Jesus Christ himself ... nobody else is worthy of our vote
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
I don't think people care that much about what he does, in the positive sense. Laws and the school system are much more powerful examples than some or other president's lifestyle is.
That's not how the same people felt during the Clinton years.
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Heck at this rate the only person we should ever vote for aor align with politically is Jesus Christ himself ... nobody else is worthy of our vote
There are plenty of people who are worthy of our vote. Trump's just not one of them.
Here's one of my beefs: What's more important, Trump as president or Trump as saved, growing Christian? In my opinion, ALL believers should have some sort of accountability. Who is Trump accountable to? I don't mean the American people, I mean in his life as an apparent believer? I'd rather see Trump lose the election than lose his soul. Giving him a pass on his ungodly behavior is doing him no favor, though I'm sure he finds it comforting.
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There are plenty of people who are worthy of our vote. Trump's just not one of them.
Here's one of my beefs: What's more important, Trump as president or Trump as saved, growing Christian? In my opinion, ALL believers should have some sort of accountability. Who is Trump accountable to? I don't mean the American people, I mean in his life as an apparent believer? I'd rather see Trump lose the election than lose his soul. Giving him a pass on his ungodly behavior is doing him no favor, though I'm sure he finds it comforting.
The problem with your critique is you are not discerning all the facts
The Democrat leadership is totally wicked with wanting to murder children via abortion and wanting to damn millions with LGBTQ and pervert future generations
LGBTQ perversion will cause untold misery to millions of children - You don't realise how horrific this is in God's eyes, far worse than Trumps past sins and even his carnal behaviour
These 2 issues alone make Trump superior to any Democrat contender
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