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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Bernie's core principle is to make the USA more like Norway, Sweden, and Finland, in terms
    of improving the social safety net and the status of workers. And the people of those nations are the happiest on the planet!
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    Population of Norway 5.3 million, Sweden 10 millions, Finland 5.5 million
    These are tiny populations and very easy to govern, control and implement policies

    It is totally different to running the USA with 300 million or another large nation

    BTW there was a recent article about Sweden going through problems with the arrival of many Islamic immigrants so you can see these nations can be shaken very quickly when they face issues what other nations have to face

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    No, I still can't support him. Once again, I'll vote third party. I'll only vote for Trump if the election is close. Trump is dishonest. He spins his excuses to his advantage. He bullies. He's a name-caller. He's not a good man. As for his being a "baby Christian" as James Dobson reported in 2016, I'd counter: isn't it time this baby Christian showed some signs of maturity? His words at the prayer breakfast were totally inappropriate.

    Oh, I don't doubt God elevated him to the presidency. But I fear it's more likely to be a foreshadowing of God's judgment for our many national sins. I appreciate his appointment of conservative justices, but that's about all. If another conservative could or would enter the primaries, I'd eagerly support him or her. If it's Bernie versus Trump, the time will be perfect for the emergence of a strong third party. Both men are unacceptable as president.

    Do I pray for Trump? YES! But I will not vote for him. He's a disgrace to the conservative cause.

    I fear too many Christians are misplacing their faith in Trump. We need PRAYER for America, period!
    From the article:

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act." Not to vote for Trump empowers the people who hate you and your children. If they ever succeed in all their plans to change our precious land of the free into a socialist state, it is game-over for the last truly free country on earth. Stand up for liberty, pray for those in Washington, and vote for those who love America. We as believers can and must turn this nation back to God!

    I seriously cannot comprehend a Christian that wouldn't vote for Trump. Seriously beyond my understanding.

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    It's always easy for libs to praise these countries when they live in the U.S. Ignorance (and stupidity) gone to seed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Population of Norway 5.3 million, Sweden 10 millions, Finland 5.5 million
    These are tiny populations and very easy to govern, control and implement policies

    It is totally different to running the USA with 300 million or another large nation

    BTW there was a recent article about Sweden going through problems with the arrival of many Islamic immigrants so you can see these nations can be shaken very quickly when they face issues what other nations have to face
    That's true, but I'd be happy (and I imagine Bernie would as well) with a system like that of Germany (population 80+ million):


    Courtney Reich, 28, was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes in 2009. Even though she was on her family's health insurance at the time, she said she had to pay hundreds of dollars every month for her insulin, which was necessary for her survival.

    But when the Chicago native moved to Germany, Reich said she was shocked to learn both her insulin and insulin pump were totally covered — no out-of-pocket expenses.

    "As a student at a public university in Germany, I automatically qualified for the public health care system," Reich said. "I was really surprised that everything necessary to take care of my diabetes was covered, 100 percent."

    Reich said she couldn't help feeling like a drain on the country's system, and expressed those feelings to her German friends.

    They reassured her they simply viewed health care differently.

    "It's about having a safety net, because tomorrow you don't know what could happen," Reich told NBC News.

    Six years later — still living in Germany — Reich has embraced the idea of a safety net.

    "I don't need to worry about crazy stuff coming up month to month. I'd rather be paying a steady fee and knowing I'm safe," she said.

    Principle of solidarity


    Germany has what's called a universal multi-payer health care system. It encompasses both statutory health insurance for people who earn less than a certain salary, as well as private health insurance for those who earn more and choose to purchase their own.

    Employers and their employees pay for most of the health care system in Germany through premiums. All workers contribute about 7.5 percent of their salary into a public health insurance pool. Employers match that 7.5 percent contribution.

    This "all for one and one for all" approach to health care has roots in the Middle Ages, when German craftsmen paid into one fund that was used to help any of its members in case someone became ill or suffered financial hardship.

    The ideology lives on in the modern German system. Everyone covered by statutory insurance has an equal right to medical care.

    "We are one big community," said Dr. Henning Baberg, a cardiologist and the medical director of Helios Hospital Berlin-Buch. "The ones who are able to pay more, pay more. And the ones who aren't able to pay that much, don't pay that much."

    "But they all get the same treatment," he added.

    Baberg likens the difference between statutory and private health insurance in Germany to the difference between economy and business class on a commercial airline flight.

    Same flight, same plane, same safety profile.

    And the system imposes strict limits on out-of-pocket costs, greatly reducing the number of surprise medical bills. The maximum copay for prescription medications is about $10 or $11.

    Flying business class

    Helene and Michael Sula, both originally from Dallas, are also expatriates like Reich. Unlike Reich, however, they pay for private health insurance.

    The Sulas chose to live in Germany for its central European location, and were taking advantage of the country's proximity to the Austrian Alps when Helene tore her anterior cruciate ligament, or ACL, while skiing.

    "When I fell, I didn't think it was that bad," Helene Sula, 32, recalled. "It wasn't until a man came up to me and said, 'We're going to need to turn your leg back the other way' that I realized something bad had occurred."

    The couple said Helene Sula was lucky to find a doctor who could do an MRI quickly once back in Germany; most places they called were booked for weeks — a common disadvantage for elective procedures. They credited their private health insurance not only with getting a swift diagnosis, but also insisting on having the best surgeon available to do the operation necessary to repair her injured knee.

    "There's a price difference, of course, but it's your knee, so we thought we'd spend a little extra cash to get the best doctor available," Michael Sula said.

    The cost for everything related to Helene Sula's knee surgery was about $2,000, compared with $14,000 for the same treatment in America.

    Despite some language barriers, the Sulas said the German health care system was easy to navigate.

    "It's much easier to pay your bills and understand your coverage than in America, where you're sort of left to figure it out on your own," Michael Sula said.

    Should the U.S. adopt Germany's setup?

    Health care industry experts in the United States say the German system is a good example of an employer-based model of medical insurance.

    "No one pays more than two percent of their family income for out-of-pocket health care costs" in Germany, said Robin Osborn, director of the International Health Policy and Practice Innovations program at The Commonwealth Fund.

    "And if you're sick, if you're chronically ill, it's one percent. No one goes bankrupt in Germany because of medical care costs," she said.

    But Osborn does not recommend the U.S. copy Germany's or any other country's health care system and adopt it here.

    "It's important to remember that we do have outstanding health care in the United States. We have pockets of excellence. We have integrated delivery systems that are the envy of the world," she said.

    "It's just that not everyone gets that outstanding health care. It doesn't exist uniformly across the country," she added.

    Baberg, who received medical training at the University of California, San Diego, said one advantage the U.S. health care system has is transparency. Although Germans can go to any hospital they want, it's more difficult for them to find data on quality outcomes for individual facilities.

    But, he added, the U.S. health care system is flawed in a different way: Americans with less money get less health care.

    "That's wrong," Baberg said. "That's not humanity. And humanity should be a big part of medicine."


    Is Germany'''s health care system a model for the U.S.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Population of Norway 5.3 million, Sweden 10 millions, Finland 5.5 million
    These are tiny populations and very easy to govern, control and implement policies

    It is totally different to running the USA with 300 million or another large nation

    BTW there was a recent article about Sweden going through problems with the arrival of many Islamic immigrants so you can see these nations can be shaken very quickly when they face issues what other nations have to face
    Sweden has been receiving large numbers of Islamic immigrants for several decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Sweden has been receiving large numbers of Islamic immigrants for several decades.
    Statistics show sex crimes have increased largely in Sweden the last 30 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Statistics show sex crimes have increased largely in Sweden the last 30 years
    Same thing here and it mostly involves muslim immigrants. Attitudes towards their new surroundings have probably changed over time. Some honor islamic moral values in relation to their own but see "white" women as fair game, especially if they themselves aren't married yet. Kind of like the Israelites of the OT often had high moral standards towards "respectable" women then slept with prostitutes, like Judah did. And, one would suspect, the Israeli spies that were sent to Jericho.

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    Given the tiny population of the above 3 nations they have very high mental illness rates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Given the tiny population of the above 3 nations they have very high mental illness rates
    I'm not sure how that is to be defined, where did you find that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm not sure how that is to be defined, where did you find that ?
    https://www.oecd.org/els/health-syst...ote-Sweden.pdf

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