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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Is there an example in the Word where God aligns himself with corruption in order to fight corruption?

    God called King Nebuchadnezzar his servant and he totally destroyed Jerusalem and killed thousands

    I don't think Trump has done that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Is there an example in the Word where God aligns himself with corruption in order to fight corruption?
    King Cyrus is a classical example of a benevolent one. He may have worshipped Yahweh as one of many gods but there's nothing that suggests that he was a Godfearing non-proselyte like Cornelius in Acts 10 was. It was more likely just a matter of general empire policy that he strengthened local worship.

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    God called King Nebuchadnezzar his servant and he totally destroyed Jerusalem and killed thousands

    I don't think Trump has done that
    As I said, I grant you that God chose Trump. But to what ends? The salvation of America or judgement of America?

    Like Zeke, but for different reasons, I say "wake up, church." Putting your trust in Trump is pure folly. He is not a man to be admired. In fact, the biggest favor his Christian advisors can do for himself to call him to personal repentance and encourage his growth as a believer...if he is one. Otherwise, those advisors are merely enabling his reckless behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    As I said, I grant you that God chose Trump. But to what ends? The salvation of America or judgement of America?Like Zeke, but for different reasons, I say "wake up, church." Putting your trust in Trump is pure folly. He is not a man to be admired. In fact, the biggest favor his Christian advisors can do for himself to call him to personal repentance and encourage his growth as a believer...if he is one. Otherwise, those advisors are merely enabling his reckless behavior.
    But you are not recognising the real possibility that under a 'president Hillary' christians would come under great pressure to conform to demonic LGBTQ agenda, lose their work and businesses and then add to that compulsory teaching of children all sorts of sexual perversions.

    It's happening now with kids and it would be worse under Democrats - if the rot can be slowed then Trump is worth it

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    But you are not recognising the real possibility that under a 'president Hillary' christians would come under great pressure to conform to demonic LGBTQ agenda, lose their work and businesses and then add to that compulsory teaching of children all sorts of sexual perversions.

    It's happening now with kids and it would be worse under Democrats - if the rot can be slowed then Trump is worth it
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    Is there an example in the Word where God aligns himself with corruption in order to fight corruption?
    No. Maybe just semantics here but it isnt about whose side God is on. It is the Lord that places certain people in leadership. Bottom line, it is a matter of whether we are on God's side. I thank God that Hillary is not in the White House.

    But you knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    As I said, I grant you that God chose Trump. But to what ends? The salvation of America or judgement of America?

    Like Zeke, but for different reasons, I say "wake up, church." Putting your trust in Trump is pure folly. He is not a man to be admired. In fact, the biggest favor his Christian advisors can do for himself to call him to personal repentance and encourage his growth as a believer...if he is one. Otherwise, those advisors are merely enabling his reckless behavior.
    I disagree brother. He is to be admired. As a great American Patriot! Not as a "super Christian", but as a Patriot. He loves this country more than all the demoncrats put together. They are domestic enemies of the US Constitution.

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    I disagree brother. He is to be admired. As a great American Patriot! Not as a "super Christian", but as a Patriot. He loves this country more than all the demoncrats put together. They are domestic enemies of the US Constitution.
    The fact that this man has been under more attacks than any president in the history of this nation and has not given up says a lot to me. He gave up a relaxing billionaire life because he loved this country and felt he could bring it back to some semblance of sanity. He also saw how strongly Christians in this country were being persecuted and sought to protect us even if he is not a fully committed follower of Christ.

    Furthermore, he won an election with all odds against him and it being rigged for Hillary. If God wanted to judge America, all He had to do was NOT intervene, allow Hillar Clinton to win, and we could kiss "freedom of religion" good bye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    But you are not recognising the real possibility that under a 'president Hillary' christians would come under great pressure to conform to demonic LGBTQ agenda, lose their work and businesses and then add to that compulsory teaching of children all sorts of sexual perversions.

    It's happening now with kids and it would be worse under Democrats - if the rot can be slowed then Trump is worth it
    So because Hillary would be worse, we should vote for a corrupt man. Frankly, a Hillary presidency, as evil as it would be, might hasten revival faster than Trump will. Folks, I'm just here to say the emperor has no clothes. As I said, I pray for him and I like some of the things he's done....but when all is said and done, I think the church will ultimately suffer for supporting a corrupt man. His soul is worth more than serving as president and I wonder if those Christians close to him are concerned about his walk with the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    So because Hillary would be worse, we should vote for a corrupt man. Frankly, a Hillary presidency, as evil as it would be, might hasten revival faster than Trump will. Folks, I'm just here to say the emperor has no clothes. As I said, I pray for him and I like some of the things he's done....but when all is said and done, I think the church will ultimately suffer for supporting a corrupt man. His soul is worth more than serving as president and I wonder if those Christians close to him are concerned about his walk with the Lord.
    What you just said about Hillary's evil hastening revival is contrary to scripture.

    1 Tim 2:2 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
    2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
    3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
    4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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