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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Well, the USA is a rebellious nation, we should re-submit ourselves to the monarchy, repent. Is that your point?
    I just stated in the previous post that God was unhappy about the monarchy they wanted. Part of the reason he gives is that the king would lord it over them. It is difficult for me to judge the American revolution, it's a long time ago and I wasn't there. Maybe a transition towards non-monarchy could have come about in a different way, maybe not. The British empire was a particularly imperialistic and often dreadfully cynical institution, their forcing China into opium hell is a good example of that.

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    Thing is, here in America we don't have rulers. We have elected representatives.

    This country was born out of political dissent, don't forget that we are no longer subjects of the Queen.

    Had their been strict adherence to "obey your rulers" there would not be a USA.
    1) Political Dissent is a while different ball game from Inuslting leaders . George Washington didnt go aroud calling the king an idiot even as he may have decried his poilcies


    Acts 23:4
    But those standing nearby said, "How dare you insult the high priest of God!"
    Then said Paul, I knew not, brothers, that he was the high priest: for it is written, You shall not speak evil of the ruler of your people.

    2) Paul obviously believed that this applied to any body in leadership not just Kings. As you can see from the above he applied it also to the High Priest whom was ELECTED

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    A.J, in a nutshell I'm angry at the (seeming) hypocrisy.

    I just don't understand how people here can defend the indefensible. I realize that Trump seems to be on the side of conservative Christian beliefs, and that's why the majority here support him. I get that, I really do. BUT it almost seems to me that you all refuse to question why it took/takes so long for him to step up and speak out against obvious WRONG. Not just about this past weekend, but ever since he took office. I guess I will never understand it. Maybe I'm wrong for arguing about it so forcefully, but when I reflect back on how Obama was treated here, and what he was called/declared to be but wasn't, it just gets me very angry. This is why I consider leaving here at times, but I regard you guys as family/friends. I and possibly njtom are the only ones that feel the way we do, and maybe that's why he doesn't post here often. But I stand by everything I've said, and will not apologize. If I've crossed a line I'm sure HS will get me back in line. Thanks A.J for your concern and your post.
    Trump's main problem seems to be thoroughly bad press and he doesn't show any ability to handle it. Obama didn't have that, he had congress to contend with of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    1) Political Dissent is a while different ball game from Inuslting leaders . George Washington didnt go aroud calling the king an idiot even as he may have decried his poilcies


    Acts 23:4
    But those standing nearby said, "How dare you insult the high priest of God!"
    Then said Paul, I knew not, brothers, that he was the high priest: for it is written, You shall not speak evil of the ruler of your people.

    2) Paul obviously believed that this applied to any body in leadership not just Kings. As you can see from the above he applied it also to the High Priest whom was ELECTED
    How we refer to others is probably covered under ...

    Colossians 4:6 Let your conversation be gracious and attractive so that you will have the right response for everyone.

    Not so sure you get a bye if it is political speech, you can certainly make your points without resorting to rough language, maybe even make better points!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Trump's main problem seems to be thoroughly bad press and he doesn't show any ability to handle it. Obama didn't have that, he had congress to contend with of course.
    Some outlets are 24/7 lie and smear. I don't think that falls on Trump but on the outlets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Some outlets are 24/7 lie and smear. I don't think that falls on Trump but on the outlets.
    My opinion is that when he doesn't handle it then it gets worse, and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    My opinion is that when he doesn't handle it then it gets worse, and so forth.
    They are quite the handful, getting worse every day. It's not his role to pander to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    A.J, in a nutshell I'm angry at the (seeming) hypocrisy.

    I just don't understand how people here can defend the indefensible. I realize that Trump seems to be on the side of conservative Christian beliefs, and that's why the majority here support him. I get that, I really do. BUT it almost seems to me that you all refuse to question why it took/takes so long for him to step up and speak out against obvious WRONG. Not just about this past weekend, but ever since he took office. I guess I will never understand it. Maybe I'm wrong for arguing about it so forcefully, but when I reflect back on how Obama was treated here, and what he was called/declared to be but wasn't, it just gets me very angry. This is why I consider leaving here at times, but I regard you guys as family/friends. I and possibly njtom are the only ones that feel the way we do, and maybe that's why he doesn't post here often. But I stand by everything I've said, and will not apologize. If I've crossed a line I'm sure HS will get me back in line. Thanks A.J for your concern and your post.
    the problem with the "not soon enough" is that most presidents don't weigh in on social issues. Or at least they hadn't until Obama started. And he got called out a couple of times too. I, personally, thought he said things too soon that incited people, instead of letting things calm down.

    What happened this week end was an abomination. I agree with John that it seemed that the mayor let thing go too long, maybe to let them foment so he could get the press he did. who knows?

    Thing is, this particular incident isn't Trumps fault. I know people who loathe him want to MAKE it his problem, but it really isn't.

    I've always tried to show respect for the person in the Oval Office.. even if I, personally, think they're a jerk. And, I've told my conservative friend that being disrespectful doesn't help.

    Yeah, Trump makes it difficult to even think about liking him, but at the same time he's been unfairly treated by the press, and that pisses me off more because it puts some of us in a position to have to defend him when we want to smack him!

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    The "not soon enough" thing is a gotcha, means nothing. It could have been "too fast", he acted rashly, it's all nonsense.

    The media could be informing us about the events of that day, who the players were, why the mayor stood down, etc. etc, put out good journalism but all they really do is bring on talking heads to talk about how they feel about the event. That's not really news, it's a pity party.

    And.... it's all Trumps fault.

    He wasn't even there.

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    FO, for the record (I was going to respond in the other thread.. I wasn't around yesterday..)
    NO, I've never, ever, got the impression you thought I was racist!!
    Absolutely not.

    2nd, John has it right.. once we start silencing anyone, we're ending up silencing everyone.

    that's why when folks burn flags, they can.. when people don't respect America, they can.. That fact that you can call Trump Agent Orange is your free speech right..

    These people, no matter how misguided, are afforded those same rights.

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