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    Was I Wrong About Donald Trump?


    Was I Wrong About Donald Trump?

    The jury is still out, but there’s evidence that there has been “dramatic divine intervention” in his life.

    By Michael Brown Published on July 26, 2017
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    A few days ago, I came across an article I wrote in April, 2016 titled, “Donald Trump Is Not Your Protector: A Warning To Conservative Christians.” Was I wrong to issue this warning? Hasn’t President Trump proven himself to be a friend and protector of conservative Christians?

    Without a doubt, I wanted my warning to be wrong. I’m far more concerned with our religious freedoms than with being right. In fact, as soon as it became clear that Trump would be the Republican candidate, I wrote an article titled, “Why I’m Actually Rooting for Donald Trump,” making clear that I hoped to be wrong in my many warnings.

    That’s also why I voted for him on election day, albeit with trepidation. I was not only voting against Hillary Clinton. I was voting for Donald Trump, with the hope that my fellow-evangelicals who knew him and spoke well of him were right. I wanted my warnings to be wrong then, and I want them to be wrong now, for the good of the country and the world.

    Why I Issued My Warning

    In the April, 2016 article, I wrote that “when the rubber meets the road, [Trump] is anything but the defender of conservative Christians and their values.”...





    ...Ongoing Concerns, But Growing Encouragement

    Obviously, there are many things I (and others) were concerned about. I still have some of those concerns.

    I wish that he would not launch twitter attacks against a good man like Jeff Sessions, his attorney general. I wish that he would not stoop to the name-calling of hostile journalists. I wish that he did not issue an executive order reinforcing President Obama’s transgender guidelines for federal employees. (The list could easily be multiplied.)

    At the same time, it seems clear that President Trump greatly esteems the conservative Christian leaders who have become close to him. He seems to realize that he was elected with the help of conservative evangelicals, that he wants to defend our liberties, and that he has become a strong pro-life ally. (Need I say more than “Neil Gorsuch”?) Could it be that he even has a growing fear of the Lord?

    On my radio show this week, I talked to Dr. Richard Land, who has been to the White House with other evangelical leaders. He told me that a number of times, President Trump has prayed with Vice President Pence before making major decisions. This is a far cry from the Trump of just a year or two ago.

    Ready for More Surprises

    Lifesite News reported on April 28, “U.S. Vice President Mike Pence along with eight other members of President Trump’s cabinet are gathering every week to pray and to study the Bible.” Surely Trump knows of this. I assume he has positive feelings about it, which also speaks well of him.

    We always make a mistake when we put our trust in a person — even the president of the United States. And Trump’s shortcomings are there for the world to see. Still God does seem to be working in his life.

    Was I wrong, then, about Donald Trump? The jury is still out. But there’s evidence that there has been “dramatic divine intervention” in his life. That’s all the more reason for us to pray that God will get hold of him even more powerfully and profoundly in the days to come.

    I, for one, am ready for more surprises.



    Update: Within hours of my article being written, President Trump announced that after consulting with his generals, transgender-identified individuals would not be allowed to serve in the military. This was not only a common-sense, pragmatic military decision but an important pushback against an overly aggressive, LGBT agenda. The decision will draw praise from conservative Christians and wrath from LGBT activists.




    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    He may simply be looking after the interests of his main voters, which is a function of democracy.

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    He may simply be looking after the interests of his main voters, which is a function of democracy.
    Even if that is the case it is till a good thing. It shows that the Christian vote is starting to count for something in this country again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Even if that is the case it is till a good thing. It shows that the Christian vote is starting to count for something in this country again.
    Exactly. And hopefully it is more of what Dr Brown said. We just need to keep praying for him and our government. But either way, it's a good start.

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    I keep looking for changes in the man consistent with being a Christian and I'm hard pressed to find any. He seems just the same as always. Maybe worse. Where is the fruit of the Spirit in his life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I keep looking for changes in the man consistent with being a Christian and I'm hard pressed to find any. He seems just the same as always. Maybe worse. Where is the fruit of the Spirit in his life?
    It depends on where you are looking...and maybe how.

    I saw humility when he put that Marines hat back on his head, other small things tell me he is a decent guy.

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    It depends on where you are looking...and maybe how.

    I saw humility when he put that Marines hat back on his head, other small things tell me he is a decent guy.
    A "decent guy?" That's it? That's a sign he's a Christian?

    Actually, I don't buy even that. He's like the broken clock that's right two times a day. Is he being "decent" with Jeff Sessions? Is he "decent" with women? Was he acting "decent" when he spoke to the Boy Scouts about all the "hot" people in NYC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    A "decent guy?" That's it? That's a sign he's a Christian?

    Actually, I don't buy even that. He's like the broken clock that's right two times a day. Is he being "decent" with Jeff Sessions? Is he "decent" with women? Was he acting "decent" when he spoke to the Boy Scouts about all the "hot" people in NYC?
    Donald Trump has a bigly investment in Donald Trump, I don't expect him to become "the least of these" but then again, I don't see much of that anyway.

    I know plenty of Christians who can't or won't do small things like helping someone with a hat. So, yeah bookie, I keep an eye on stuff like that. The little things can say a lot about a person. I think the bible says that too.

    I don't know if he's saved or not, that's Gods business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I keep looking for changes in the man consistent with being a Christian and I'm hard pressed to find any. He seems just the same as always. Maybe worse. Where is the fruit of the Spirit in his life?
    I'm more concerned about what he's doing for America. It's not for me to judge his personality or even his fruit because we only see the public Donald Trump. God looks on the heart. I know Christians who have been saved for decades that behave worse than Trump.

    And besides, you don't know that there's no fruit. You only see the public persona, you have no idea what he does or how he behaves privately.

    God has used flawed men for His purposes since the beginning of time and with all due respect Bookman, we just need to stop looking at flaws in the Presudent's behavior, and appreciate the positive things he's doing for the good of the nation. I didn't vote for a pastor, or not even necessarily a godly man, though I believe Trump is making good, although slow progress.

    I voted for a candidate who is dedicated to making America great again, and of the choices we had, Donald Trump is that man.
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    "Update: Within hours of my article being written, President Trump announced that after consulting with his generals, transgender-identified individuals would not be allowed to serve in the military. This was not only a common-sense, pragmatic military decision but an important pushback against an overly aggressive, LGBT agenda. The decision will draw praise from conservative Christians and wrath from LGBT activists."
    Gorsuch on the Supreme Court, rekindled friendly relations with Israel, decreased unemployment, especially for black American males 16-24, much needed assistance for veterans, and much more.

    The verbal attacks on the President are bad enough, but the vicious attacks on his wife and family are the worse I've ever seen. Barack Obama and his family were mainly attacked by private citizens via Social Media, never by the MSM, Hollywood celebrities, entertainers in the music industry, Democrats and other liberals.

    But President Trump and his family have been viciously attacked from all the above, and more, including many Christians. And that's a crying shame.
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