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    Déjà Vu: Outrage Over Trump's Paris Decision Is Identical To Bush's Rejection Of Kyoto


    Déjà Vu: Outrage Over Trump's Paris Decision Is Identical To Bush's Rejection Of Kyoto
    By Michael Bastach Published on June 3, 2017
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    China called it "irresponsible," Europeans said there would be "political implications" and environmentalists said the world faced a "climate disaster" and "the world would pay the price in tears" for the president's decision.

    Sounds a lot like the reaction to President Donald Trump's decision to exit the Paris climate accord, but these were actually statements made by critics of former President George W. Bush's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol.

    About 16 years ago,
    Bush announced that he would continue opposing the Kyoto Protocol, the world's first binding global warming treaty, largely on the grounds that it would hurt the U.S. economy and allow China and India to continue emitting greenhouse gases.

    "The world's second largest emitter of greenhouse gases is China," Bush said in June 2001. "Yet China was entirely exempted from the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol. India and Germany are among the top emitters. Yet India was also exempt from Kyoto."

    Bush also said the Kyoto Protocol would "have a negative economic impact, with layoffs of workers and price increases for consumers," the New York Times reported at the time.

    Outrage ensued. China's foreign minister said Bush's decision was "irresponsible." China joined the Kyoto Protocol as a developing country, meaning they were not committed to reduce emissions. Neither did India.

    European leaders criticized Bush and urged him to do more to fight global warming. Europeans also reaffirmed their commitment to following the Kyoto Protocol without the U.S., even though they admitted it would be less effective.

    "It is important that the US accepts its responsibility for the world climate. They are the biggest economy in the world and the heaviest energy consumers," European Union Commissioner Margaret Schröder told the Los Angeles Times in 2001.

    Environmentalists were probably the most outraged. When Bush announced his intention to rebuke the Kyoto Protocol, which was voted down by the Senate, activists claimed that "the world would pay the price in tears."

    "Millions of people
    — in the US as well as in other countries — face the loss of their homes, their jobs and even their lives because of climate change," said Charles Secrett, director of the U.K. branch of Friends of the Earth.

    "But this ignorant, short-sighted and selfish politician, long since firmly jammed into the pockets of the oil lobby, clearly couldn't care less," Secrett said in a statement.

    Fast forward 16 years, and it's clear that a similar story is transpiring....



    ...The outrage against Trump's decision was just as loud, if not louder. ...



    ..."The EU and China are joining forces to forge ahead on the implementation of the Paris agreement and accelerate the global transition to clean energy," EU Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete told the Guardian.

    Separately, China called Trump's decision a "global setback," and environmentalists railed against the administration....



    ...It should also be noted the Kyoto Protocol did little to stop the inexorable rise of carbon dioxide emissions, mostly because of China and India.



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    One important difference : Bush never withdrew from Kyoto since the US never ratified the agreement. The US ratified the Paris agreement only 9 months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    One important difference : Bush never withdrew from Kyoto since the US never ratified the agreement.
    Paris was never presented to, much less ratified, by Senate/Congress either.

    Obama's administration acted independently of Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Paris was never presented to, much less ratified, by Senate/Congress either.

    Obama's administration acted independently.
    And then Trump withdraws from it after only nine months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    And then Trump withdraws from it after only nine months.
    Yay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Yay!
    But did he send it to Congress for ratification first ?

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    But did he send it to Congress for ratification first ?
    Obama never even considered it.

    He already knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Obama never even considered it.

    He already knew.
    Trump didn't either, that was my point.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...aris-agreement

    (May 24th 2017) "Trump should do what Obama didn't: Send the Paris agreement to the Senate for ratification.
    The accord will likely fail to win the required votes, and that failure will send an important signal to future presidents that building a political consensus is crucial for international compacts."


    Seems to me that American presidents are acting a lot on their own lately and it goes back and forth. Hard to keep up with for the rest of the world.

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    Trump didn't either, that was my point....

    He didn't have to. It was not legal to begin with.

    It's D.O.A. as far as ever getting thru Congress is concerned (at least until the Church is raptured).
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