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    Trump won because the manufacturing states have been degrading for years under Democratic rule. Hillary make comments about shutting down coal mines. Trump spoke about getting manufacturing jobs back, that resonated with a lot of people. Those states turned the election in Trump's favor. I don't believe for one minute that Putin would rather deal with Trump than Hillary. Putin knows he could easily buy Hillary, Trump is a mystery.
    Regarding your second point, I think the evidence is clear that Russia intervened in our election for the benefit of Trump. Why they did this is unknown to me. My guess is that they see Trump as possibly weakening NATO, which has pressed eastward towards the borders of Russia in a manner that Pat Buchanan has said is aggressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    What prompted the recount request is the discovery, by some analysts, of "statistical anomalies"; i.e., across districts within a state, different outcomes depending on the technology of the voting apparatus being used in that district. Of course this is not proof of anything. But I believe that is what prompted the recount request.

    Which is not to say that there were many other factors that affected the outcome of the race.
    Anything is possible with hackers, it could even be some kid with a Trump voting father who doesn't know what the kid is doing. It could even be several hackers on both sides doing the same thing and who knows what the outcome really was.

    The Russia allegation originates with the idea that the Russians originally hacked Hillary's private email account, kept the emails then released them to wikileaks. Or something in that vein. So did umpteen other nations - hack her account, that is. That doesn't mean that the Russians involved themselves in the voting process nor necessarily that they love Trump, it merely means that Hillary used a private email account for important business and Trump probably hasn't.

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    What, no 'smoking gun?' Jill Stein waffles when asked outright if election was 'stolen'


    Jill Stein is marching full steam ahead with her call for a recount in three key states in the 2016 election even though she admitted there is "no smoking gun" to point to the vote totals being incorrect.

    "Do you think this election was stolen?" CNN's John Berman asked Stein on "New Day" Friday.

    "Um, we don't know," she admitted.

    "I think the forensic computer experts have raised serious questions. What we do know is that this was a hack-riddled election. We saw hacks into voter databases, into party databases, into individual email accounts," she said, sounding more and more like she is about to be fitted for a tinfoil hat.

    "We know that there were attempts made broadly on state voter databases, and we know that we have an election system that relies on computerized electronic equipment which is wide open to hacks, which has very primitive security from, in many cases, a decade or more ago, and staff that's really not trained in security," she said.

    The former Green Party candidate for president was likely referring to a New York Magazine article, that has been widely debunked, which claimed that voting results might have been hacked in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    "Americans deserve to have confidence in our vote.," she said but when Berman asked her if she had any evidence she replied, "No.We do not have a smoking gun."

    Stein has insisted that she is not looking to swing the election to one candidate over another and only wants to be certain the votes were legitimate.

    But then why is Stein not requesting recounts in states Hillary Clinton won by smaller margins than Donald Trump won Michigan, which was finally called for Trump on Friday, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin?

    Trump won Pennsylvania by near 78,000 votes, Michigan by about 10,000 votes and Wisconsin by around 27,000 votes.

    By contrast Clinton won New Hampshire by a razor-thin margin of less than 3,000 votes, Nevada by about 26,000 votes and Minnesota by less than 44,000 votes.

    Why is Stein not interested in recounting those states?


    It's merely another tactic by the left to undermine the election of Trump.

    The director of Michigan's Bureau of Elections, Chris Thomas, said his state does not use the electronic voting machines that were cited in the New York Magazine report.

    "We are an entire paper and optical scan state," he told the Detroit Free Press. "Nothing is connected to the Internet."

    And it's not as easy as demanding a recount and getting one.

    "Really, evidence needs to come forward showing that has occurred," Thomas told the Detroit News. "Then actions could be considered at that point. But to date, there's been no evidence. It's just conjecture, and I don't think that serves anyone's good purpose."

    The left tried riots, they tried threatening electors and now that those failed they are trying a recount.

    Anything not to deal with the reality that Trump is going to be the President of the United States on January 20, 2017.


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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Regarding your second point, I think the evidence is clear that Russia intervened in our election for the benefit of Trump. Why they did this is unknown to me. My guess is that they see Trump as possibly weakening NATO, which has pressed eastward towards the borders of Russia in a manner that Pat Buchanan has said is aggressive.
    There is no evidence other than just another reason to try and discount Trump.

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    The discrepancy between polls and the results is the main beef, isn't it ? It still seems that voter turnout explains it fully, this is a well known phenomenon from elections elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The discrepancy between polls and the results is the main beef, isn't it ? It still seems that voter turnout explains it fully, this is a well known phenomenon from elections elsewhere.
    Nope, it really has nothing to do with it. The media and pundits and pollsters pretty much know that was a bias and rooting thing toward Hillary.

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    Hillary has put Stein up to this. She acts like she is not involved at all, but I am sure she is behind it and Stein is pushing ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Nope, it really has nothing to do with it. The media and pundits and pollsters pretty much know that was a bias and rooting thing toward Hillary.
    So you think that the polls were inaccurate because they were supposed to be ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Hillary has put Stein up to this. She acts like she is not involved at all, but I am sure she is behind it and Stein is pushing ahead.
    yep...When Stein did a "grass roots" fund raising for recounts, she raised 5 million in about an hour..

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    Where does Soros get all the money from ? He seems to be spending a billion a year or something.

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