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    Donald Trump, President of the United States by the Sovereign Intervention of God - Michael Brown

    If God has raised Trump up for certain divine purposes, it behooves us to ask what those purposes are — and to pray for divine restraint on his life.

    As the political pundits weigh in on the many sociological and ideological factors that contributed to Donald Trump's stunning victory, allow me to weigh in on the spiritual side of things.

    I believe Trump has been elected president by divine intervention.

    I'm aware, of course, that some people believe that everything happens by the will of God, which means that whoever wins the presidency wins by God's express will.

    Yet there are times when there are so many odds against something happening, when it so greatly defies logic, that it is easier to recognize God's involvement.

    That, I believe, is the case with Donald Trump winning — and remember, this comes from someone who endorsed Ted Cruz and was one of Trump's stronger conservative critics during the primaries.

    Just think of the obstacles Trump overcame, including: 1) The massive baggage of his past, including the release of a vulgar video with his tremendously offensive sexual comments along with numerous women accusing him of sexual assault (as reported by no less than the New York Times); 2) his myriad campaign errors, with enough misstatements and inappropriate remarks to sink several candidates; 3) a very strong Republican field, including governors like Bush, Christie, Kasich, Huckabee and Walker, senators like Cruz, Rubio and Santorum, and outsiders like Carson and Fiorina; 4) the massive power of the Clinton political machine; and 5) the overwhelming collusion of the mainstream media.

    To be sure, some will say, "Yes, God has raised up Donald Trump, but it is to judge America, not bless America. He has given us what we deserve, and it is not good."

    That is certainly a possibility, and either way, Trump's many negative qualities are still glaring and our nation remains terribly divided.

    But if, indeed, God has raised Trump up for certain divine purposes, it behooves us to ask what those purposes are.

    First, consider this post from Pastor Jeremiah Johnson, now just 28 years old, dating to July of last year.

    Jeremiah knew very little about Trump when he wrote these words:

    I was in a time of prayer several weeks ago when God began to speak to me concerning the destiny of Donald Trump in America. The Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, "Trump shall become My trumpet to the American people, for he possesses qualities that are even hard to find in My people these days. Trump does not fear man nor will he allow deception and lies to go unnoticed. I am going to use him to expose darkness and perversion in America like never before, but you must understand that he is like a bull in a china closet. Many will want to throw him away because he will disturb their sense of peace and tranquility, but you must listen through the bantering to discover the truth that I will speak through him. I will use the wealth that I have given him to expose and launch investigations searching for the truth. Just as I raised up Cyrus to fulfill My purposes and plans, so have I raised up Trump to fulfill my purposes and plans prior to the 2016 election. You must listen to the trumpet very closely for he will sound the alarm and many will be blessed because of his compassion and mercy. Though many see the outward pride and arrogance, I have given him the tender heart of a father that wants to lend a helping hand to the poor and the needy, to the foreigner and the stranger.'

    Obviously, Trump's policies regarding immigration would seem to contradict the final sentence here, but if the rest of this proclamation is true, then perhaps this part will prove true too as well.

    Second, consider the perspective of Dr. Lance Wallnau, a Christian speaker and leadership coach who often thinks outside the box. He too felt that God was raising up Trump to be a Cyrus-type leader — someone used by God to help the nation, even though he himself was not a believer — feeling directed to read a passage from Isaiah 45 to Trump (this passage speaks of Cyrus), and say that Trump was called to be the 45th president of the United States.

    Wallnau believes that God is using Trump as a "wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness," claiming, "His emergence is such a destabilizing threat to the vast deal making machinery embedded in both parties that he has the unique distinction of being rejected by both liberal Democrats and establishment Republicans at the same time."

    In Wallnau's words, Trump is God's "chaos candidate." (For my 90-minute interview with Dr. Wallnau on this subject, where he took calls from critics, see here.)

    But here is the major caveat, even if all (or most of these things) are true: If Trump, indeed, is a divine wrecking ball, then he could do as much as harm as good, and to the extent that he is appealing to the fears and frustrations and anger of a nation, he is channeling some potentially dangerous emotions.

    That means that we should pray that: 1) he will continue to surround himself with solid men like Mike Pence, his Vice President, or Rudy Giuliani, possibly his Attorney General ; 2) he will listen to the godly leaders who have been speaking into his life, like James Robison and Tony Perkins; 3) he will humble himself, recognizing that the pride that has brought him this far is the pride that could destroy him; 4) he will keep his word about the Supreme Court justices he will nominate; 5) he will not compromise the Republican Platform in some misguided effort to prove his moderation; 6) he will do his best not to alienate those who are horrified by his presidency, instead pledging to be the president of all Americans (that would mean, for example, declaring war on radical Islam without declaring war on all Muslims); 7) he will demonstrate that he will ultimately help our nation as a whole (for example, with good economic policies or by proposing something better than Obamacare); 8) he will learn to act presidential (rather than vengeful and impetuous) on both a national and international level.

    In short, if Trump indeed is president by divine intervention, we should pray for divine restraint on his life as well, lest this divine wrecking ball wreak havoc on the nation while tearing down what is wrong. May he be a divinely guided wrecking ball!

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    Fuego, if you never post anything else, this was worth posting and reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Fuego, if you never post anything else, this was worth posting and reading.
    Wow. Maybe I should quit while I'm on top.

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    I’m aware, of course, that some people believe that everything happens by the will of God, which means that whoever wins the presidency wins by God’s express will.
    I used to hear this a lot during the both times that President Obama was elected. It really got on my last nerve. People often misquoted Romans 13 to prove their point that God is the one who puts whoever is president in there.

    Now I believe that God is sovereign and omnipotent but I do not believe that He uses His power or His sovereignty to control every minute detail of every event in life. God has given man significant freedom to determine his own destiny, which includes the destiny of a nation. For those who disagree just take a gander at Ezekiel 22:30, 31

    God may have moved on people to vote for Trump. I know that I prayed that God would influence His people to get out and vote and vote for the candidate who is closest to our Christian values. I believe that the Holy Spirit did that and by this method God perhaps raised up Donald Trump. However, Ben Carson would have been a good president too. I believe the only reason he isn't is due to people being more fascinated with Trump and people like Walnau (whose ministry I sat under for about 7 or 8 months when he pastored here in RI) and others giving prophetic words about Trump. Many of these have been influential. This is not to say that God was not the One who spoke those words but even when those prophetic words were spoken I will still set on Ben Carson - until he was forced to drop out due to some underhanded stuff by the Cruz team. Did God have anything to do with THAT?

    I personally voted for Trump because of Pence and because the only other alternative was Mrs. Clinton. Cannot foresee more abortion, gay lobbying, and anti-Christian foolishness from the WH. But I will continue to watch to see if Trump is supposed to bring the last revival to this nation and all of the other prophetic things spoken about him. In the meantime, I will follow Michael Browne's advice as to what to pray for concerning our new president elect.
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    I'm a bit circumspect here in regards to marrying Trump. The church married Bush not so long ago and it took a toll. The people want a king though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I used to hear this a lot during the both times that President Obama was elected. It really got on my last nerve. People often misquoted Romans 13 to prove their point that God is the one who puts whoever is president in there.

    Now I believe that God is sovereign and omnipotent but I do not believe that He uses His power or His sovereignty to control every minute detail of every event in life. God has given man significant freedom to determine his own destiny, which includes the destiny of a nation. For those who disagree just take a gander at Ezekiel 22:30, 31

    God may have moved on people to vote for Trump. I know that I prayed that God would influence His people to get out and vote and vote for the candidate who is closest to our Christian values. I believe that the Holy Spirit did that and by this method God perhaps raised up Donald Trump. However, Ben Carson would have been a good president too. I believe the only reason he isn't is due to people being more fascinated with Trump and people like Walnau (whose ministry I sat under for about 7 or 8 months when he pastored here in RI) and others giving prophetic words about Trump. Many of these have been influential. This is not to say that God was not the One who spoke those words but even when those prophetic words were spoken I will still set on Ben Carson - until he was forced to drop out due to some underhanded stuff by the Cruz team. Did God have anything to do with THAT?

    I personally voted for Trump because of Pence and because the only other alternative was Mrs. Clinton. Cannot foresee more abortion, gay lobbying, and anti-Christian foolishness from the WH. But I will continue to watch to see if Trump is supposed to bring the last revival to this nation and all of the other prophetic things spoken about him. In the meantime, I will follow Michael Browne's advice as to what to pray for concerning our new president elect.
    This is kind of on topic, and I didn't see this until recently...


    Why So Many Calvinists in the 'Never Trump Movement'?
    By Dr. Richard D. Land , CP Exclusive
    Nov 7, 2016 | 2:30 PM
    http://tinyurl.com/prl687t

    A few weeks ago a Roman Catholic colleague who is a conservative political scientist and economist asked me a thoughtful and unexpected question. "Richard," he said, "Why is it that such a high percentage of the Evangelical 'Never Trumpers' are Calvinists?"

    I hadn't thought about it exactly that way. After reflecting on the question, here is my attempt to provide an answer.

    The succinct and simple answer is that their governing theology, which molds and shapes their world view (as any self-respecting theology should), has strongly predisposed them to their "Never Trump, both candidates are unacceptable, I will support neither" posture.

    Not all "Never Trump" Evangelicals are Calvinists, but a large portion of them, probably a majority, including some of the most outspoken Christian leaders who are arguing against Trump, are Calvinists. ...


    ...If you believe, as many Calvinists do, that everything has already been decreed and preordained by God, as opposed to other more, mediating theological traditions within Christendom, then it is certainly a more readily available option to believe that your decision not to choose a "lesser evil" over a "greater evil," but to withdraw altogether and choose neither has itself, always been preordained.

    Why? Well, you would be tempted to believe that your very decision to choose neither was not really your free decision, but had always been preordained by God. When you couple that with the belief that the decision about who is going to win, for example, the presidential election, has also always been preordained by God in eternity past, then it is tempting to say "it is out of our hands because God's decreed will prevails."

    If, however, you believe that your choices and actions are truly choices and actions that God has left you the discretion to make under His guidance and direction, and that those choices and actions do influence events positively or negatively, then you are perhaps less ready to so quickly decide not to choose the lesser evil in order to help keep the greater evil from prevailing, even for a finite period of time...


    ...When a decision gets really tough, albeit to the point of challenging your core beliefs about how to participate in democracy, it is extremely tempting to use a convenient doctrinal nuance to take the easy way out...
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Wow. Maybe I should quit while I'm on top.
    Yeah, maybe you should.

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    " have given him the tender heart of a father that wants to lend a helping hand to the poor and the needy, to the foreigner and the stranger.’

    Obviously, Trump’s policies regarding immigration would seem to contradict the final sentence here, but if the rest of this proclamation is true, then perhaps this part will prove true too as well."

    I don't agree that Trumps policy here fall short...America has held this immigration policy...not allowing people to violate our laws does not conflict with this....that implies only if e having Open borders do we 'lend a helping hand to the poor and the needy, to the foreigner and the stranger'

    AND we give billions in foreign aid yearly...probably a lot of that should be streamlined to do more good for the actual POOR rather than lining the pockets of their 'leaders'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Yeah, maybe you should.
    I knew that was coming.

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