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    Maybe not but how different is your society compared to 20, 50, 100 years ago ? How divided is it in ways ? Clinton represents something that permeates society, including anti-religious feminism. Their power is not in revolution then coercion but rather in careful restructuring over a long period of time. Small steps that don't register as radical because each one doesn't have to mean anything like that. Maybe the individual will be able to prevail on a personal basis as an outspoken Christian but where will society be as a whole ?

    As an example, Obama was against gay marriage during the 2008 election. About 7 years later he applauds federal law by having the white house light up in the colors of the rainbow. Did he change his view and agenda during that time ? I don't think he did at all.

    Who is Hillary Clinton and what does she represent ? People ask themselves the same questions about Trump of course and here they typically make the mistake of envisioning Obama and Clinton in the colors of nice, idealistic, moderate socialism. Just freedom and opportunity for all within the security of the required framework, the basics of the social democracy.


    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Thanks for the clarification.

    I'm afraid I can't envision circumstances here in the states leading to what you describe, regardless of who is elected president. Under our system, the president personally has no power to steer society in any particular direction with respect to religious or cultural views. (The government can compel a business owner to serve a homosexual person, but it can't compel that owner to approve of homosexuality.)

    I can envision the media, e.g. the Hollywood movie industry, doing so. I can also see corporations doing so, e.g., with advertisements promoting the concept that "smoking is cool", or something else. Keep in mind this is not Soviet-style forcible coercion; this is the "power of suggestion", with a bit of peer pressure thrown in.

    As long as Christians are prepared to resist the pressure to "follow the crowd", we'll have no problem. And we ought to be prepared, because Christians who actually follow the teachings of Christ have always been in the minority, always resisting the pressures of society, because the "Way of Jesus" is so much in conflict with the "ways of the world".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Hillary is a wicked godless woman in power who will do anything to further her wicked anti christian agenda. To give her credit she has the ability to use words to her advantage but she is used by satan in promoting values that undermine the kingdom of God.

    Clinton feminism is demonic
    Just like satan used words to manipulate Adam and Eve she is a deceitful manipulator

    BTW she probably doesn't believe in a real devil but there is no mistake in my mind she is totally deceived and a major tool of satan
    Remember, her own husband outed her a while back:


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    If I had ever met Hillary Clinton, I would have liked to ask her some questions about Methodism that she claims to be a proud adherant of.

    Does she know who John Wesley is ?
    Does she know what he taught ?
    What does she think he would have thought about her various views ?

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