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    If We Reject Trump, We May Be Inviting Persecution


    If We Reject Trump, We May Be Inviting Persecution
    When the election is Constantine vs. Diocletian, Christians don't get to stay home.
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    Should Christians get behind Donald Trump?

    As I’ve demonstrated here, on every criterion of politics, it seems to me that electing Donald Trump is less dangerous to the preaching of the gospel, the safety of Christian institutions from colleges down to the family, and the lives of unborn children.

    We don’t have to believe the claim that he’s even a “baby Christian” to recognize that this is true. Winston Churchill wasn’t any kind of Christian, but he defended our institutions and our freedoms, and that was all we needed. It is all the church ever needs. Given our own failure to evangelize the culture, it may be more than we deserve.

    But aren’t Christians all about asking God for exactly that — more than we deserve? If it sounds like I’m saying that the election of Donald Trump might be a moment of unmerited grace for the United States of America. … Yes, given the only live alternative, that is exactly what I mean.

    I think that some Christian resistance to backing this candidate comes down to simple distaste — some of it justified. This is a man with multiple divorces, a flashy and hedonistic lifestyle, a penchant for juvenile insults — the list could go on and on. It can wear down the soul just to think about it, and that’s for a simple reason: It’s gossip.

    The sins of other people aren’t meant to be fodder for our spiritual reflection, though the devil tells us otherwise. The flaws that matter in a political leader are those that connect to his likely performance in office, compared to the real-world alternatives. When we say we prefer the hard-drinking, foul-mouthed, racist agnostic Winston Churchill, we mean compared to Adolf Hitler. It’s nonsense to line up every leader next to Jesus or even our ideal politician. I promise you, they will all fall far short.

    Besides, there’s a long history of Christians humbly setting aside their craving for a fully admirable leader, in recognition of a stark reality: In a fallen world, we are subject to violence. Those we are called to protect, from our own children to those in the wombs of desperate strangers, demand that we find a way to defend them.

    If we look at the sword which God has left in our path, and sniff that it isn’t shiny enough or might be caked with mud, and leave the innocents to suffer — make no mistake, we will answer for it....

    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Hmmmm, very interesting food for thought.

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    Persecution is on the way regardless of who gets in... I'd like to think a Trump presidency may put off the inevitable for a while, but none the less this nation is getting darker and it's not going to be turned around as some are claiming.

    God's Kingdom comes before the nation so we need to be about our Father's business of gaining converts, making disciples, and warning others about false teachers.

    Matthew 24:3-13
    And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (saying I am anointed); and shall deceive many.
    And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    meh
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    meh
    Hadn't seen that "word"before.

    An image from the article illustrating how some people see Mr Trump

    If We Reject Trump, We May Be Inviting Persecution-capture-jpg

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    FunFromOz,

    You have a lot more in common with Farm Truck than you realize.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    FunFromOz,

    You have a lot more in common with Farm Truck than you realize.
    If true no I didn 't realise that. Maybe someone will explain one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    FunFromOz,

    You have a lot more in common with Farm Truck than you realize.
    He's got a long, long way to go seeing his infatuation with catholicism

    It matter not really who gets elected, persecution is on the way regardless of who gets in...

    This nation refuses to turn from it's wicked ways, so it will experience destruction just like all great kingdoms before it.

    Hide-n-watch... it's coming.

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    Yes, persecution is coming, but there's something that concerns me even more. At the same time persecution is coming, there will be great deceptions taking hold in the church. We see a lot of this already. Christians are going to have to be very discerning the coming years. The pastor who always seemed so right-on will be teaching doctrines palatable to "itching ears." Watch, too, for more churches to become "inclusive." In fact, I think persecution may be largely hinged on this very issue of inclusion.

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