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    Ron Sider of Christianity Today: Why I'm voting for Hillary

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...y-clinton.html


    I have not publicly endorsed a presidential candidate in 44 years. But this year—the most important presidential election in my lifetime—I feel compelled to do so.

    For decades I have advocated a completely pro-life agenda: pro-life and pro-poor; pro-family and pro–racial justice; pro–sexual integrity and pro-peacemaking and pro–creation care. This agenda is expressed in the National Association of Evangelicals' public policy document "For the Health of the Nation."

    For decades, as I applied this agenda, I regularly concluded that Republican presidential candidates were better on issues like abortion, marriage and family, and religious freedom, while Democratic candidates were better on racial justice, economic justice, and the environment. So I have voted for both Republicans (George W. Bush) and Democrats (Barack Obama).

    But 2016 is astonishingly different from other election years. Hillary Clinton is bad and good in the usual ways. But Donald Trump is not only bad in many of the usual ways—he is also bad in the ways in which I have usually preferred Republicans.

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    Trump's recent pro-life stand is not credible. Historically he has supported abortion access, even to partial-birth abortion, and still supports Planned Parenthood, the country's largest supplier of abortions.

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    Christians just getting stupid over this. It really makes me shake my head.

    Trump’s recent pro-life stand is not credible.

    Maybe not, but Clinton's DEFINITELY is.

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    I think Mr. Sider's general assessment of the two parties is pretty accurate.

    As for his decision to not vote for Trump, my guess is that he feels that Clinton's better
    positions on the environment, economy, and race are sincere and strongly held, while
    Trump's positions on abortion and family are insincere and likely to be dropped once
    he's elected.

    So, Clinton's "good" positions can be trusted, while Trump's "good" positions can't be trusted;
    so, by Sider's calculation, if Clinton wins, he'll definitely get some of the things he likes;
    whereas if Trump wins, he might get none of the things he likes.

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    I'd bet money he hasn't really looked at her record.

    He's drinking the Kool-aid

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    What 'good positions' does Hillary offer? Are they similar to the 'change' good positions Obama offered?

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    Catchy would have said that Obama and Clinton are out to destroy the Black and Hispanic communities further but they refuse to understand that because it pleases the flesh in the short run. Okay, you take it from there.

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    Who'd believe someone who wrote Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Trump’s recent pro-life stand is not credible.

    Maybe not, but Clinton's DEFINITELY is.
    I doubt Clinton is pro-life...


    Who'd believe someone who wrote Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger?
    Christians should be rich... so we can help the poor.

    If Christians are all poor... then we can help nobody, which is why satan teaches that it's wrong for Christians to have anymore than they can just barely get by on.

    Ye olde poverty vow....

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    Christians should be rich... so we can help the poor.
    21st century rationalization for Christians who want to have money, but need a spiritual reason to do so.

    If you had said "prosper" I'd agree. But God's prosperity does not always mean material wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    God's prosperity does not always mean material wealth
    Like it or not... this physical world runs on money, so go to Africa where all the starving people desperately need food and try to minister to them as they are starving to death.

    You're going to need some money!

    Money itself is not inherently evil as it can be a tool for blessing or cursing. It's the love of money that is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10) because money enables people to sin more, which is why many Christians cannot handle having large amounts of money since they will either backslide or use it to start trying to control people.

    All kinds of things in scripture that supports God's people being wealthy as well as "prospering" which includes things money cannot buy (such as salvation, health, living in peace, etc)

    Money is the lowest form of prosperity, but none the less... this physical world runs on money.

    I know many have taken a vow of poverty but they are just hypocrites cause they still have stuff and they have jobs... if one were to seriously believe God wants us to live in poverty, then they would give away all their stuff and live homeless under a bridge somewhere

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