Thread: Black Pentecostals and voting against Hillary because she is female

Originally Posted by Valiant Woman

Ignorance gone to seed.

Judges 4:4-5 I guess God has changed His mind. Malachi 3:6 James 1:17

Women leaders of the Bible (not exhaustive)...Deborah, Miriam the prophetess (Micah 6:4)...Huldah the prophetess (2 Kings 22)

Honorable mention...Noadiah, Isaiah's wife, Anna, Abigail, and Mary (Jesus' mother)

Deborah was a leader at the time when the males were wimps (bit like now in ways).

Being a prophet does not imply leadership (one of this culture's mistakes)

Mary had a baby, where's there evidence in the Bible that she was "a leader".

It is true Deborah seems to be the only female in a position of authority...the others were prominent and significant but not in a position of authority...I believe there is a weakness in women that God recognized in Eve, therefore He positioned her to not be in position of authority...

On topic..what female would you, any of you, want to be president?

I believe Adam revealed men's weakness is women and Eve revealed women's weakness is power...Unless God clearly led me I would not sit under a woman pastor. Nor would I sit under a male pastor whose wife called the shots....

PS...something dropped into my mind a few days ago that was clearly not my imagination...speaking of Hillary, "She is a puppet". This changed my POV a lot. I no longer see her as an evil potential leader...I see her as a sad creature that has sold her soul and no longer even calls her own shots..

Originally Posted by Valiant Woman

Believe what you will, it doesn't make it so. If it's not not supported by scripture, doctrinal beliefs don't count. There's no scripture whatsoever to support your position.

God is NO RESPECTOR of persons. He chooses men and women to serve as He wills. That includes leadership positions in the Church as well in the public sector.

Nor does yours make mine false...Both Genesis and Timothy address this and they are parallel and specific to women.

I agree God is no respecter of persons..... ...but your saying that includes leadership positions in church is your own conclusion. One passage of scripture does not negate the others...they are ALL true.

He does not regard one person superior in value to another...that has nothing to do with His designated plan for men and women.

Your view seems contaminated with the feminist claims than scripture. When men and women find their call and the leading of their Father they don't envy the difference in male and female. So I don't view my believe as God showing favoritism...I see it as God demonstrating His wisdom in dealing with His children.

God who is no respecter of persons calls one to be a teacher, another to be a pastor, and another to be prophet, and another to be...whatever. The church at Corinth had issues with that...when it comes to Lordship Jesus, through the holy Spirit designates who is called to do what...that right God has retained for Himself...and has nothing to do with valuing one above another..or as Peter was noting, excluding Gentiles from salvation...

Likewise Paul to Romans in 2:11 is speaking of excluding someone from salvation due to their nationality...in neither place is this verse referring to God's plan and calling within the body of Christ..one has to bridge that idea as it is not in scripture.

Genesis 3:16To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Parallel

1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

Respecter of persons passage speaks not at all to gender but nationality/race. I have parallel passages from the OT and NT saying that women are to be submissive and WHY...

Women have been led to believe that to have a differing role from men implies inferiority or devalues them. I believe That is a seed of the feminist movement and EVE bought it in the garden...submitting to God's intended plan as our gender dictates frees us to be all that He desire each of us to be.

Originally Posted by Quest

...Women have been led to believe that to have a differing role from men implies inferiority or devalues them...

While I agree, there are a number of awesome and anointed women in ministry, I wouldn't feel comfortable sitting under a female Pastor either - Sorry, but something about it just vexes my spirit.

Originally Posted by Romans828

While I agree, there are a number of awesome and anointed women in ministry, I wouldn't feel comfortable sitting under a female Pastor either - Sorry, but something about it just vexes my spirit.

I feel pretty close to the same way. I'm not against woman preachers. In fact, I've been blessed by many who were quite anointed. However, my preference for a pastor is a man. I'm not going to say why I feel that way, but I do

In this political season let me ask a question...it just occurred to me to ask how many representatives are Democrat and how many are Republican...I had to go check because I had no idea, interesting...there are about 73 female Democrat representatives and about 29 Republican...feminists would say that is because Republican are suppressive...but is that really the reason? More female leaders in the Democratic party that supports abortion than in the Republican party that does not?

Originally Posted by Romans828

While I agree, there are a number of awesome and anointed women in ministry, I wouldn't feel comfortable sitting under a female Pastor either - Sorry, but something about it just vexes my spirit.

In my church, there are two senior pastors and they are married to each other. The woman seems to be more active in pastoring other women. This is my impression, I don't think it is official. The man is more active as a speaker though.