Thread: The clear choice for President - Rick Joyner

Originally Posted by Ari

I am sorry, but no, I cannot accept this at all. Mr Trump is not at all virtuous. Much evidence of his nature and character has already been posted. Both of the major party candidates for president are unfit for office.

Mr Trump has said that he is pro-life, but then, his remarks in defense of Planned Parenthood demonstrated that his feelings on the topic are certainly not deep seated.

These are some thoughts from Billy Graham regarding the calling of evil good:

The Bible says through Isaiah the prophet: “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20).

Another way to call evil good is to say that morals are relative. Someone has said: “As the occasion, so the behavior.” We have changed our moral code to fit our behavior instead of changing our behavior to harmonize with our moral code. Nothing is firm today. We are not on solid ground. Young people are shifting from one side to the other. Morally, they are drifting aimlessly without compass or guide.

Still another way that evil is called good is for the conscience to be perverted, and certainly our consciences today are perverted. But right is right even if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong. God does not change the moral law to suit our behavior.

The modern conscience has been twisted and distorted so badly that it is difficult to tell what is genuine and what is false.

Self-centeredness is another reason we are so inclined to call evil good. When something brings profit or pleasure to us we are inclined to call evil good, even though we know it is dead wrong. “But it’s what I’ve always wanted,” or, “It’s good for me, although I know it’s wrong” are the alibis we have manufactured to justify evil and call it good.

If we could only focus our eyes outward instead of inward and heed the words of Jesus: “Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you” (Matthew 6:33).

what he/she said..... I am sooooo transgendered confused...

Originally Posted by Bookman

I can't vote for him. No.

My thoughts are..
Under Hillary christians will undergo worse treatment as preference will be given to the gay agenda, Muslims etc. Do you want to see students victimized at schools, universities
for standing up for christianity. What about teachers and lecturers who have already come under pressure.
Same sex agenda will continue to target christians and use the law against them as in lawsuits etc.

Not saying Trump will fix everything but it seems that he is far more open to listening to evangelicals than Hillary

We face the same problem down here and the left wing agenda is anti christ. Hillary like most lefties has a pro godless agenda

Trump may be foolish in areas but he doesn't seem anti christian

It is amazing to me how some Christian leaders across the country have tried to project spiritual virtue and values to a candidate that is so obviously deficient of them.

For example, one radio spot I heard multiple times here is South Carolina was presented by Jerry Falwall Jr, of Liberty University:

"Matthew 7:16 tells us, 'By their fruits ye shall know them.' Donald Trump's life has borne fruit, fruit that has provided jobs to multitudes of people," Falwell said at another point in the speech, the next line of the ad. "I have seen first-hand that his staff loves him and is loyal to him because of his servant leadership. In my opinion, Donald Trump lives a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the Great Commandment," the spot concludes.

Servant leadership??? .... Living a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the Great Commission??? .... Yeah, ... you bet!!! In which casino did he see this demonstrated by the Donald???

Christians, and conservative voters, who refuse to be bullied into voting for Trump, aren't giving anything to Clinton. If the election is handed to her, it is by the Republican primary voters who looked past 16 better candidates to select a seriously flawed candidate to run for president, ... and by Trump himself, who has alienated a large portion of the electorate with his insults and lies.

I don't contest those who say they will vote for Trump because they see Clinton as more dangerous and threatening for the country, especially in regard to Supreme Court nominees, but I object strongly to those who try to spiritualize voting for Trump, and bash and smear those who express misgivings about him. Some in the social media have gotten quite nasty about it.

Originally Posted by Ari

It is amazing to me how some Christian leaders across the country have tried to project spiritual virtue and values to a candidate that is so obviously deficient of them.

I agree.

Christians, and conservative voters, who refuse to be bullied into voting for Trump, aren't giving anything to Clinton.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe it'll make you feel better if Hillary wins. :)

Trump can't be trusted to keep his word. Good grief, he's already altering his positions. He's pro-gay and I do not trust him to protect religious liberties. Just look at his history. Either way, Hillary or Donald, the result, I believe will be God's judgment for America.

Originally Posted by Bookman

Trump can't be trusted to keep his word. Good grief, he's already altering his positions. He's pro-gay and I do not trust him to protect religious liberties. Just look at his history. Either way, Hillary or Donald, the result, I believe will be God's judgment for America.

The failure to protect religious freedoms is far worse than the promotion of free abortion which is far worse than the promotion of gay marriage rights. The first one is not really here (yet), the second we've gotten too used to, the third is the new kind on the block that everyone is in a frenzy about.

Originally Posted by Bookman

Trump can't be trusted to keep his word. Good grief, he's already altering his positions. He's pro-gay and I do not trust him to protect religious liberties. Just look at his history. Either way, Hillary or Donald, the result, I believe will be God's judgment for America.

There is still some hope with Trump and his willingness to listen to evangelical leaders.....What hope is there with Hillary


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Originally Posted by Bookman

Trump can't be trusted to keep his word. Good grief, he's already altering his positions. He's pro-gay and I do not trust him to protect religious liberties. Just look at his history. Either way, Hillary or Donald, the result, I believe will be God's judgment for America.

Are you voting for Hillary?

Originally Posted by Pentecali

Are you voting for Hillary?

Anybody that doesn't vote for Trump is, regardless of what they think. :)

Originally Posted by Pentecali

Are you voting for Hillary?

No, never! I would vote for Trump before Hillary. However, both candidates are dangerous for different reasons. I think Trump is foolhardy and hasty. Just look at the things he's already having to walk back. I don't trust him. I do think he's proactive as he should be, while Hillary is reactive and even passive. And of course dishonest. The problem I have is that I think both candidates are utterly clueless about our real problem. We have problems neither candidate can solve because the problems are deeply spiritual. Neither understands that we as a nation have sinned greatly against God and until there is national repentance, it doesn't matter who is president. It might be best for the worst candidate to win...that may hasten God's judgment and our repentance.