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God's Judgment
As we're coming closer to the election, I'm considering that God may be bringing judgment on America for our sins, no matter who wins. Trump as president could certainly be God's judgement. So could Hillary. But primarily, I'm thinking the terrorism on the horizon could also be God's judgment. We are surely ripe for it. Just as the horrific Civil War was God's judgment for the sin of slavery, so could terrorism be His judgment in this century.
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I agree with most of what you say except the part of lumping Trump the same as Hillary
IMO Trump with all his carnality is still a better option then Hillary and is more open to real christians speaking into his life
Even if its only a glimmer of hope, voting Trump is still better
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Originally Posted by
Bookman
As we're coming closer to the election, I'm considering that God may be bringing judgment on America for our sins, no matter who wins. Trump as president could certainly be God's judgement. So could Hillary. But primarily, I'm thinking the terrorism on the horizon could also be God's judgment. We are surely ripe for it. Just as the horrific Civil War was God's judgment for the sin of slavery, so could terrorism be His judgment in this century.
America has been under judgment for the last 8 years, if not longer. I believe Donald Trump may be our "Cyrus". IJS
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I guess I'm seeing the glass half empty. I do not see signs of revival in our country presently. Although I will not for Hillary (EVER), I'm also convinced that by placing so much hope in Trump, we're missing God's point. Trump won't cause repentance to come to the church--and that's what's needed. Forget what unbelievers are doing. God wants His church to repent and live holy and bold lives. Trump won't lead the church to repentance. If the American church needs a human leader to call us to repentance, it won't be Trump or anyone in the political world.
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1 Tim 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions,*and giving of thanks be made for all men,
2*for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
3*For this*is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,*
4*who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The first step is to elect authorities that are conducive to quiet and peaceable lives in godliness and reverence for those who truly follow Jesus.
Originally Posted by
Bookman
I guess I'm seeing the glass half empty. I do not see signs of revival in our country presently. Although I will not for Hillary (EVER), I'm also convinced that by placing so much hope in Trump, we're missing God's point. Trump won't cause repentance to come to the church--and that's what's needed. Forget what unbelievers are doing. God wants His church to repent and live holy and bold lives. Trump won't lead the church to repentance. If the American church leads a human leader to call us to repentance, it won't be Trump or anyone in the political world.
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I believe the legalization of abortion and the rebellion era of the 70's and 80's set America on the course of judgment and no leader can stop it...none will reverse Roe Vs Wade as the corruption of evil has contaminated our entire justice system..Except for a massive revival that sweeps the land and brings humble repentance from the top down, it's carved in stone...IMHO
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Originally Posted by
Bookman
I guess I'm seeing the glass half empty. I do not see signs of revival in our country presently. Although I will not for Hillary (EVER), I'm also convinced that by placing so much hope in Trump, we're missing God's point. Trump won't cause repentance to come to the church--and that's what's needed. Forget what unbelievers are doing. God wants His church to repent and live holy and bold lives. Trump won't lead the church to repentance. If the American church needs a human leader to call us to repentance, it won't be Trump or anyone in the political world.
Under Hillary the wicked pro gay agenda will increase in schools as well as discrimination against christians. That is reason enough to vote in Trump
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Originally Posted by
Bookman
I guess I'm seeing the glass half empty. I do not see signs of revival in our country presently. Although I will not for Hillary (EVER), I'm also convinced that by placing so much hope in Trump, we're missing God's point. Trump won't cause repentance to come to the church--and that's what's needed. Forget what unbelievers are doing. God wants His church to repent and live holy and bold lives. Trump won't lead the church to repentance. If the American church needs a human leader to call us to repentance, it won't be Trump or anyone in the political world.
I'm not looking for Trump to bring the body of Church to repentance. That's not his responsibility. I'm looking for him to be the Predident ALL Americans need right now.
Tired of politicians taking us for granted. We've been down in the muck & mire for too long and it's time for fresh ideas and new faces.
If Donald does the job of what a President is suppose to do, the Church will be freer to do what she is suppose to do.
The President's job isn't suppose to be the spiritual leader or guide of the Church. God knew of David's flaws, yet He chose him over Saul. Donald Trump has good people on his team and I believe he can get the job done, if he heeds their counsel on matters he's not yet adept at.
One of my major concerns is the Supreme Court vacancies coming up over the next few years. We must not let a liberal/progressive like Hillary Clinton get control of that court. It's imperative!
But if Christians are going to be adamant about picking the lessor of two evils, and not vote for Trump, and Clinton wins the election, then they have only themselves to blame for the devastation that will follow another Clinton administration. I'm voting Trump. My conscience is clear.
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But if Christians are going to be adamant about picking the lessor of two evils, and not vote for Trump, and Clinton wins the election, then they have only themselves to blame for the devastation that will follow another Clinton administration. I'm voting Trump. My conscience is clear.
Bingo.
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