"Lyin Ted" lives up to his nickname

**Quest** · 07-21-2016, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by krystian

If I'm remembering the timelines correctly, Cruz's father attacked Trump first, something about how voting for him would lead to the 'destruction of America'. Trump then made mention of a photo that was already floating around showing Oswald with a few people including Rafael Cruz and Trump simply said that he wondered what that was all about.

Similar scenario with Heidi Cruz, the Cruz camp tried to start a literal smut campaign on Melania Trump and after that came out Trump made a statement to back off by saying that he could 'spill the beans' on Heidi.

All that aside, the classy and right thing that Cruz should have done was to honor his commitment to support the Republican nominee no matter who it was for the common good of uniting the party to stop Hillary. But he didn't.

He could have even easily qualified his endorsement by saying some akin to 'while Donald Trump and I don't see eye to eye on some personal matters I do endorse him as the best candidate we have to beat Hillary and turn this country around'. But no, he wanted to pout and instead came off as a petty and self-seeking little man.

So Cruz's team attacked with smut and then cried foul when it came back around...good to know.

**njtom** · 07-21-2016, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Quest

So Cruz's team attacked with smut and then cried foul when it came back around...good to know.

The upshot of all of this backstabbing and infighting and gossiping is that we need to stop expecting integrity from politicians. It is virtually impossible for a man/woman of integrity to win high political office in the USA.

**Quest** · 07-21-2016, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by njtom

The upshot of all of this backstabbing and infighting and gossiping is that we need to stop expecting integrity from politicians. It is virtually impossible for a man/woman of integrity to win high political office in the USA.

I don't think that is true, however it would certainly take an extraordinary person...

**John** · 07-21-2016, 08:49 PM

America cannot elect a morally decent person, they don't even know what one acts like.

**Valiant Woman** · 07-22-2016, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by krystian

Posted by Mike Huckabee on FB

-The question of the night was whether Ted Cruz would honor his word and support the nominee or earn the moniker "Lyin Ted" given to him by the man who won. The question was whether Cruz would make his speech about HIS future or the future of the country. And that question was answered when Ted Cruz chose to not keep his word that he (along with me and every other GOP candidate) gave one year ago in that very arena where tonight he put his own ambitions above country.

Donald Trump did something no previous nominee has done—he allowed Ted Cruz to speak without his promising to support the nominee. I've spoken at every convention since 1992, and I can attest to the fact that no one got near that stage without supporting the nominee. Trump trusted Ted and was rewarded with a betrayal, but the delegates in that arena booed Cruz off the stage and out of Cleveland.

I'm certain that many of you will react harshly and angrily to my words. So be it. But when a person gives his word, he should keep it. When a person is treated with generosity to give a speech, he should either respond with respect or graciously decline. And when a person loses, he should accept the will of the voters and then offer support to the victor of the primary to defeat the anti-gun, pro-abortion, incompetent, dishonest, and dishonorable nominee of the Democrat party.

So fire away with your comments, Facebook Friends. But from where I sit, I didn't see a statesman step forth for the country's future. I saw a self-absorbed politician grab the microphone and try to line up his own future. Ted walked in tall and walked out small.

https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabe...53908745387869

My understanding is that he told Trump beforehand he wasn't endorsing him, and they chose to let him speak anyway. Calling Cruz's wife ugly and inferring that his father was involved in the JFK assassination didn't help.

I didn't think Cruz's speech was so bad. He strongly supports the party, espouses Conservative principles, and Christian morals. He doesn't have to violate his conscience by endorsing DJT after he insulted his wife and never apologized for it. Is he suppose to forget about that? How would that make his wife feel? If Trump sincerely apologized, (which we all know is very difficult for him), maybe he would've gotten the endorsement.

Cruz's speech said to me that Republicans must unite and beat Hillary. And the fact that he showed up is as close to an endorsement without actually giving it. JS

**Valiant Woman** · 07-22-2016, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Susan

Since when does a "thumps up" transmit anger? Would that be a thumbs down?

Susan I had the same thought. Hmmm?

**BAP** · 07-22-2016, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by krystian

If I'm remembering the timelines correctly, Cruz's father attacked Trump first, something about how voting for him would lead to the 'destruction of America'. Trump then made mention of a photo that was already floating around showing Oswald with a few people including Rafael Cruz and Trump simply said that he wondered what that was all about.

Similar scenario with Heidi Cruz, the Cruz camp tried to start a literal smut campaign on Melania Trump and after that came out Trump made a statement to back off by saying that he could 'spill the beans' on Heidi.

All that aside, the classy and right thing that Cruz should have done was to honor his commitment to support the Republican nominee no matter who it was for the common good of uniting the party to stop Hillary. But he didn't.

He could have even easily qualified his endorsement by saying some akin to 'while Donald Trump and I don't see eye to eye on some personal matters I do endorse him as the best candidate we have to beat Hillary and turn this country around'. But no, he wanted to pout and instead came off as a petty and self-seeking little man.

Trump had been atatacking Cruz long before Cruz father said anything . In fact CRUZ refused to attack Trump at the onset

Cruz did the classy thing. He made clear to the Trump folks thats he wasnt going to endorse but yet he told everyone not to stay at home. and to vote constitution and vote their conscience . The GOP should be about principles not about persons. If voting principles and conscience meant voting for Trump then it's up to Trump to make himself a viable option within the next 5 months.

I stand with Cruz all the way on this one and I am very much against this mob rule anything goes mindset that has seemingly infected the GOP . Why should a speech about values and constitution and conscience invite boos because it doesn't include the words "I endorse Donald Trump" ? I didn't know the GOP had become the party of Trump.

Most people in the GOP voted for somebody other than Trump during the Primaries

**BAP** · 07-22-2016, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by fuego

Krauthammer: Cruz's Speech 'Was the Longest Suicide Note in US Political History'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/2...itical-history

Charles Krauthammer is an atheist idiot who is all about blowing with political winds rather than substance . It's ironic that he was one of those who dismissed trump as a joke at the onset now he is prematurely writing off Cruz

**BAP** · 07-22-2016, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel

Ted Cruz being expected to be loyal to the Republican party is one thing, I think his disloyalty is more an expression of the fact that Trump is really an independent who has placed himself in the Republican camp because it suits him. In a multy party system like here in Norway, the two would never have been found in the same party.

He wasnt disloyal to the party .. his speech was very much reflective of the party's supposed principles and it's platform ...

Disloyalty to me is when a party nominates a man who pretty much goes against everything they stand for and then demands that we all bow down to our new benevolent dictator in waiting

**Colonel** · 07-22-2016, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by BAP

He wasnt disloyal to the party .. his speech was very much reflective of the party's supposed principles and it's platform

I was referring to his not endorsing the Republican candidate.

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