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Resident Chocolate Monster
Originally Posted by
KaySharpe
I *think* he's talking about "in the biggest of big pictures" ... but in my opinion, one baby's life is worth it ... and that's why I'll throw up on a voting booth if I have to.
I just don't think the man is pro-life in anything but hot air to win votes.
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I'd bet money Trump is more pro-life than Hillary or just about any Dem running around the landscape.
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Originally Posted by
krystian
Exactly, it sounds good and noble but you see what that thinking did in the last election...ultra liberal Obama won because Christians were pouting about voting for a Mormon even tho that Mormon held similar values and could have saved thousands of aborted babies.
So are we Christians now to "think it through" despite what the Word says? Is voting for an evil man an option the Word gives us? We talk about the miraculous moves of God here on the forum and the need for revival, but are we really willing to "faith it out" and simply obey God and not follow our own carnal reasoning?
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it's this simple, a NO vote is a vote for Hillary. If you like Hillary, then cool. Don't for vote anyone or vote for her.
The other things to consider are this:
A) The next president will likely appoint a one or more to the supreme court. This could effect us for generations. who would you rather?
B) which of the 2 will do their best to protect our nation from the threat of terrorism? Hillary?
C) who is likely to bring jobs back to America and lower taxes?
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Originally Posted by
Pentecali
it's this simple, a NO vote is a vote for Hillary. If you like Hillary, then cool. Don't for vote anyone or vote for her.
The other things to consider are this:
A) The next president will likely appoint a one or more to the supreme court. This could effect us for generations. who would you rather?
B) which of the 2 will do their best to protect our nation from the threat of terrorism? Hillary?
C) who is likely to bring jobs back to America and lower taxes?
It's not that simple. The Republicans and the Democrats each nominate their candidate for president. If either party nominates someone I want to support, I do so. But if they nominate someone unacceptable, I do not (and cannot) support who they have nominated. I have absolutely NO obligation to support the candidate they nominate if I think the person is unqualified and doesn't share my positions on most of the issues. My obligation is to vote for the candidate I can truly support. If enough people would do this instead of voting for an evil candidate simply because he's the lesser of two evils, we could make a difference in the election. Voting for an evil leader (ANY evil leader) is not God's way.
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Resident Chocolate Monster
Originally Posted by
Femme*
I'd bet money Trump is more pro-life than Hillary or just about any Dem running around the landscape.
Definitely more than Hillary. But, does it make any difference? He isn't going to push to change policy, and if new policy comes up a doubt he'd do much to stop it....That's not his agenda. His agenda is to create a wealthy America, by running it like a business. Unfortunately, he's already bankrupted four businesses. AND corporate America, is for the most part, all about the money. They don't care about the "little people". I don't want a Wal-Mart nation, but that's what we're gonna get if some third party doesn't show up that we can all rally around.
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What would make you think anyone is going to change policy? (I assume you are speaking of abortion?) The tooth paste is out of the tube and has been for a long time.
And please don't belittle a Wal Mart nation. We shop at WM for almost every thing because that is what we can afford. We live in a mobile home because that is what we can afford. We drive a car from the 90's. Thankfully all our needs are supplied, but it is what it is.
The change in this nation is only going to come by the hearts of the people being changed. Leaders cannot legislate what needs to happen in this nation.
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Resident Chocolate Monster
Originally Posted by
curly sue
What would make you think anyone is going to change policy? (I assume you are speaking of abortion?) The tooth paste is out of the tube and has been for a long time.
And please don't belittle a Wal Mart nation. We shop at WM for almost every thing because that is what we can afford. We live in a mobile home because that is what we can afford. We drive a car from the 90's. Thankfully all our needs are supplied, but it is what it is.
The change in this nation is only going to come by the hearts of the people being changed. Leaders cannot legislate what needs to happen in this nation.
I'm addressing how Walmart treats their employees, because that is essentially what we will become if Trump is elected...employees to his corporate nation. (I shop at Aldi for the same reason...it's affordable.)
You said, "What would make you think anyone is going to change policy?" I happen to agree with you, which is why I can't ever understand why so many Christians are one issue voters.
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Originally Posted by
Lista
I'm addressing how Walmart treats their employees, because that is essentially what we will become if Trump is elected...employees to his corporate nation. (I shop at Aldi for the same reason...it's affordable.)
You said, "What would make you think anyone is going to change policy?" I happen to agree with you, which is why I can't ever understand why so many Christians are one issue voters.
I have to say, I've shopped at Walmart, Target and various grocery stores, and based on the service I have received, I'd rate Walmart dead last. They have, by far, the WORST employees I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. Now, maybe it's because of the low wages, the good ones go there to get trained, then move on to other companies, but I would say that very few I have encountered deserve to make much more than minimum wage.
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Originally Posted by
Bookman
So are we Christians now to "think it through" despite what the Word says? Is voting for an evil man an option the Word gives us? We talk about the miraculous moves of God here on the forum and the need for revival, but are we really willing to "faith it out" and simply obey God and not follow our own carnal reasoning?
Seems you are saying to vote for Trump is NOT something God would tell us to do?
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