That's not what I'm talking about. Some times it's wisdom to not go as far as one possibly could with things. Some times failing to apply that kind of wisdom becomes a form of war mongering. Blood feuds were historically maintained that way. "you hurt us bad but when we get the upper hand we will hurt you equally bad in return, then when you get the upper hand again..."Originally Posted by FireBrand
Uh...it was already that way under Biden. At least we would have had 4 years of conservative values in the forefront. If a Democrat gets in again next time, it will just go back the way it was.
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Look, as it were, through a telescope that will bring it up near to you; look into hell, and hear them groan; then turn the glass upwards and look at heaven, and see the saints there, in their white robes, with their harps in their hands, and hear them sing the song of redeeming love; and ask yourself--Is it possible, that I should prevail with God to elevate the sinner there? Do this, and if you are not a wicked man, and a stranger to God, you will soon have as much of the spirit of prayer as your body can sustain. -Charles Finney 'The Spirit of Prayer' from 'Lectures On Revivals of Religion'
It could get much worse. Catchy had a dream about a time when people were ostracized for failing to actively show respect for individual lgbt people. Indoctrination could get worse. Hillary Clinton wanted to eradicate religious values where they opposed what she saw as progress. My impression during 30 years of discussions on American run Christian forums is that Christians always thought that things cannot get even worse, and then they did.
Deception is running deep with people to the point where they think that getting even more fanatical in their beliefs and more fundamental in their demands is a matter of serving some unknown god or divine principle. There have been many secular "gods", some with new age mixed into them. Communism had its magical utopia. Nazism relied on a belief in the spiritual power of old Aryan beliefs, which Hitler thought that he tapped into. Both grew and became powerful based on blood feuds with competing belief systems. The Bolsheviks gained power by coming out on top in a civil war with other factions, and the Nazis gained the upper hand on the Communists in the Reichstag - it could have been the other way around. Communist reps were some of the first that were sent to the concentration camps. Both had plans to eradicate Christianity, the Nazis after the war was won and several Communist regimes tried hard to do so.
If we look at the "next step" after the Nazis, we have the Communists taking over in the East including in East Germany. That didn't go well, they went from one oppressive society to an other. The Stasi system was one of the worst, at least in Europe. The approach in West Germany worked much better. What about the Soviets? In the wake of the Soviet Union the Russians got Boris Yeltsin who handed over most of Russia to the oligarchs and everything got worse during his presidency. Which is how Putin became a popular leader, he managed to get things back on track again in terms of fundamental indicators of prosperity.
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One thing we have going for this is now people have been emboldened to display their conservatism, or resist in it, push back on liberal agendas, however you want to say it. So even if it tries to 'go back' or even worse, the conservatives will resist more now and it may not be the same outcome as if the conservatives were never in power. This 4 years has broken the liberal agenda from continuing unabated not matter what happens after this.
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Look, as it were, through a telescope that will bring it up near to you; look into hell, and hear them groan; then turn the glass upwards and look at heaven, and see the saints there, in their white robes, with their harps in their hands, and hear them sing the song of redeeming love; and ask yourself--Is it possible, that I should prevail with God to elevate the sinner there? Do this, and if you are not a wicked man, and a stranger to God, you will soon have as much of the spirit of prayer as your body can sustain. -Charles Finney 'The Spirit of Prayer' from 'Lectures On Revivals of Religion'
Yes, and that already happened the first time Trump was president. I'm concerned that some things may be going too far this time. Some of Jesus' teachings addressed the tendency to see straightforward retaliation as a virtue or even duty, in times when the Jews were in the habit of plotting war against overwhelming forces. He introduced the concept of forgiving, praying for and even blessing one's enemies. Doing good and securing good is not retaliation. Bringing criminals to justice and restoring order isn't either. But when the need to retaliate is mixed into these things, then it fosters more retaliation, the lust for revenge, something more than just the other side working for their agenda out of deception.
No one is seeking revenge. I believe we are simply setting things right, men are men, women are women, no one wants to see these people hurt. Your premise as usual starts from the bottom of the barrel, a toxic thought process.
You just placed a halo above every Republican or conservative involved. The issue I was discussing is obviously much broader than trans policies.
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