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    A little about russian people in former sovjet countries

    On another thread the question popped up what the russian people in the Ukraine have to do with Putin.To understand that we have to look back into the time under Stalin.He did many evil things. But here I just want to talk about one issue.
    He wanted to make sure that nobody dared to question him. For that reason he did all he could to keep people and any democratic movement down. One way he seemed to enjoy was to take peoples groups, for example from a large landscape in Kaukasus and move them to Sibiria. His purpose was to disconnect people, tearing families and bigger groups apart. During this time russians were brought in to many countries. They had priviledges. They controlled the people and were the henchman and executioner of Stalin.
    Now after the Sovjet Union broke apart many of these countries longed for freedom and independence. They wanted to use their languages, keep their traditions and built up a own nation. This was difficult for the russians living there . They lost priviledges, and the people in these new countries were not intrested in keeping a russian system under which they had suffered badly. This is a problem in many former countries belonging to the former UdSSR.
    The russians did want to stay in these places, but they want things turned back to the old times. This causes tension. They are mainly hoping for help from Russia and the strong man there, Putin. They believe in communism and they tend to value for what communism stands. One thing they do not value is churches. Of course, Putin finds from time to time nice words for the Orthodox Church, but only for that church. He needs the orthodox as a church who supports him.

    As americans who love freedom I think you can understand that in other countries people also long for freedom. And in most counries they want a freedom to practise the religion choosen.
    For example in Ukrainia the persecution of the church is only in the area controlled by pro-russians. The ukrainians are much more tolerant and there are many many churches there, mostly small ones.
    So, a single word of Putin and the bad things happening to the churches in east Ukrainia would stop.

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    No one is being persecuted for their faith, they are being "persecuted" for political views. You fail to make that distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    No one is being persecuted for their faith, they are being "persecuted" for political views. You fail to make that distinction.
    why political view? could you explain that?

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    Ukraine: Reprisals against evangelical Christians

    According to information from the German missionary organization "Licht im Osten", Protestant Christians are increasingly being subjected to repression by the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

    Many Baptists would have to leave their homes, their church buildings would be confiscated, services would be banned, said "Licht im Osten" director Joachim Lange. Some Christians were even killed. In Donetsk, a Christian university was occupied by the separatists. In addition, militants in the city destroyed a non-denominational prayer tent.

    After taking the former rebel stronghold of Slavyansk, investigators discovered the bodies of two Pentecostal deacons and two adult children of one of the ministers. Fighters from the "Donetsk People's Republic" captured the four during a church service on June 8, said the leading bishop of the Pentecostal Church, Mykhailo Panochko. The insurgents accused the clergy of supporting the Ukrainian army. An adviser to Ukraine's interior minister said the clergy were tortured and murdered on June 9. The perpetrators, who were said to be separatists, put their victims in a car and set it on fire with a grenade launcher to cover up all traces and present their murder as an act of Ukrainian soldiers. The remains were then buried in a mass grave with two dozen other victims on the grounds of the Slavyansk Children's Hospital.

    In view of the violence and persecution of evangelical Christians in eastern Ukraine, nine Protestant churches and free churches in Ukraine appealed to the international community on July 8: "Since the emergence of separatist movements in eastern Ukraine and the proclamation of the so-called In the 'People's Republics' of Donetsk and Luhansk, Protestant Christians in particular are noticeably exposed to religious persecution. Targeted attacks by armed militants against Protestant Christians are accompanied by hostage-taking, beatings, torture, death threats, destruction and occupation of house churches and social facilities, property crime, etc.
    From May to June 2014, Protestant pastors and preachers were arrested and beaten in Slavyansk, Gorlovka, Donetsk and Druzhkivka. The terrorists of the two so-called 'People's Republics' not only hinder the religious activities of the Protestant Christians, they also occupy their places of worship in order to set up their own headquarters, weapons depots or hospitals there [...]. What's more, on June 14, Pastor Sergei Skorobagach of the Church of Renewal and local chairman of the Council of Churches in Mariupol was assassinated.

    The Council of the Evangelical Protestant Churches of Ukraine condemns any persecution of religion and discrimination against believers, regardless of the motives. Intolerance and hostility based on religion are alien to Ukrainian society, in which more than 50 faith communities have been living and working together peacefully for over 20 years. Freedom of belief is an achievement of independent Ukraine, thanks to which there is interreligious peace and harmony in our country.

    We call on the international community, in particular the monitoring missions of the UN, OSCE, the Council of Europe and the EU, to do everything possible to curb the ongoing and escalating religious intolerance in eastern Ukraine, which is occupied by armed separatists. We are convinced that world opinion must condemn the suppression of religious freedom in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, which has now gone so far that dissenters are being physically harassed and Protestant Christians are in mortal danger."
    Credo.Press — Независимое информационно-аналитическое интернет-издание (Портал) о религии, 9., 22. Juli.; Религиозно-информационная служба Украины - Интернет-портал о религии, 16. Juli; Kathpress, 17. Juli; www.protestantnews,

    This is not new news, but the situation is not improving

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