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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    For me, patriotism includes certain values like truthfulness, fair play, consideration of others, and much more. To say you support a person because of his love for America, yet you overlook his lack of values signals to me that patriotism trumps (literally!) the values that America SHOULD stand for. I want candidates who love America AND hold to the values I think are important in our leaders. These values do not include bragging, lying, self-interest, rudeness, crudeness, unfaithfulness to one's spouse, and the like. Nor, as I said, does it include hiring and then firing those you hired.

    Nor, as I said, does it include hiring and then firing those you hired
    Curious as to how many Generals Lincoln Hired and Fired ?

    These values do not include bragging, lying, self-interest, rudeness, crudeness, unfaithfulness to one's spouse
    Macarthur, Patton , Sherman , Churchill and pretty much every American President would be deemed unpatriotic going by your standards here

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-house-parrot/

    These Are the Most Foul-Mouthed Presidents, and How Donald Trump Compares

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    For me, patriotism includes certain values like truthfulness, fair play, consideration of others, and much more. To say you support a person because of his love for America, yet you overlook his lack of values signals to me that patriotism trumps (literally!) the values that America SHOULD stand for. I want candidates who love America AND hold to the values I think are important in our leaders. These values do not include bragging, lying, self-interest, rudeness, crudeness, unfaithfulness to one's spouse, and the like. Nor, as I said, does it include hiring and then firing those you hired.
    values like truthfulness, - Trump kept his promises didnt he ? Your so called Man of Integrity and true conservative Bush Sr on the other hand reneged on his read my lips no new taxes pledge soon as he was sworn in didnt he ?

    fair play, -- He pushed Prison Reform didn't he ? He pushed for tax reform didn't he ? Dont you think keeping your hard earned money is fair ?.. He re-wrote trade deals that favored the elite at the expense of the American Worker didn't he ??? How much fairer can you get ?

    consideration of others, I would think Giving up ones billionaire lifestylee to help enact Prison Reform , Drug Benefits , Bringing Troops home from never ending wars would count as consideration of others wouldn't it ?

    and much more -- Yeah like Religious Liberty, Right TO life , School Choice , demanding Europe pay more towards their own defence.. Record Time Vaccine production.. Record PPE production etc

    Based on your laundry list here looks to me like Trump should be your man hands down
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  5. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    I would say that for a constitutional republic such as ours to survive, the people themselves must exhibit certain characteristics such as self-restraint, general goodwill, moderation, and respect for (not necessarily agreement with) others. If we lose these characteristics, we're likely to devolve into authoritarianism.

    Trump's words and behavior, especially while he was President, inspired the opposite, and for that reason, President Trump was decidedly unpatriotic and un-American.
    I am always amused at liberals claiming to be in favor of a constitutional republic and expressing concern about devolving authoritarianism and respect while at the same time engaging in cancel culture , mob rule , blatant disregard for the rule of law, while demanding wholesale conformity to their ever evolving neo -Marxist tenets.. Headscratch

    People whose political ideology have no respect for life , individual liberty , individual property or the rule of law espousing a faux fidelity to the constitution; a document which they themselves openly deem to be non sacrosanct??? Headscratch for real

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