Trump 2024

**John** · 06-04-2021, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bookman

I get that. But some of us conservatives believe that to make a good president, the person must be honest, must not tell lies, must show discretion (not hot-tempered), and must be capable of appointing good men and women and then letting them do their job. Even in business one way of knowing if a person is a good leader is by how much turnover they have in employees. On that score alone, Trump fails. He micro-manages and does so carelessly.

I don't think you are a traditional conservative, Barry Goldwater kind of thinker. You sound more like a Christian Socialist, I think they have a few parties like that in Europe. Any way Trump did have to hire and fire many swamp rats while in office because, well, they are swamp rats, only loyal to themselves. I do agree with you in one area, he really should not humiliate people, that may get him some laughs and ooh rahs from the base but when you humiliate someone, you have made an enemy for life. I've worked with a few people like that and it always end badly.

**Valiant Woman** · 06-05-2021, 09:39 AM

After all of the evil king David did, he did repent, and God called David "a man after my own heart."

President Trump has the same kind of passion David had for his nation and its people. I'm not saying he has the same zeal for God that David had, but that he has demonstrated more compassion for the Church and for Israel than any other President that I know of, at least in my lifetime.

The accomplishments he made during his presidency, speaks for itself. And anyone that values personality over accomplishments is, I suspect, places more importance on personality flaws than the well-being of people and country. Something is wrong with that.

**Bookman** · 06-05-2021, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by John

I don't think you are a traditional conservative, Barry Goldwater kind of thinker. You sound more like a Christian Socialist, I think they have a few parties like that in Europe. Any way Trump did have to hire and fire many swamp rats while in office because, well, they are swamp rats, only loyal to themselves. I do agree with you in one area, he really should not humiliate people, that may get him some laughs and ooh rahs from the base but when you humiliate someone, you have made an enemy for life. I've worked with a few people like that and it always end badly.

Me, a Christian socialist??? That's hilarious. That's one more problem with Trumpers...you assign disparaging labels to any conservative who doesn't bow the knee to Trump. Why is it so hard to believe that true Bible-totin', blood washed, born again, red-state wannabe Christians can't support Trump? The emperor has no clothes.

**John** · 06-06-2021, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Bookman

Me, a Christian socialist??? That's hilarious. That's one more problem with Trumpers...you assign disparaging labels to any conservative who doesn't bow the knee to Trump. Why is it so hard to believe that true Bible-totin', blood washed, born again, red-state wannabe Christians can't support Trump? The emperor has no clothes.

Sorry Bookie, I didn't mean to disparage you. You're probably more of a "values voter". Bush (Rove) really played to that, he spitefully used the church. He had Christians on board with forever wars and many other policies that are anathema to a genuine conservative.

**Bookman** · 06-06-2021, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by John

Sorry Bookie, I didn't mean to disparage you. You're probably more of a "values voter". Bush (Rove) really played to that, he spitefully used the church. He had Christians on board with forever wars and many other policies that are anathema to a genuine conservative.

The irony is that many of us believe Trump "used the church." Bigly. :-)

**John** · 06-06-2021, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bookman

The irony is that many of us believe Trump "used the church." Bigly. :-)

Did you vote for Biden?

**Bookman** · 06-06-2021, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by John

Did you vote for Biden?

Good grief, no! Voted Libertarian with great reluctance. Mostly in protest at the two options.

**John** · 06-06-2021, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bookman

Good grief, no! Voted Libertarian with great reluctance. Mostly in protest at the two options.

I did that as well, twice, McCain and then again for Romney.

**FireBrand** · 06-06-2021, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by John

I did that as well, twice, McCain and then again for Romney.

Same here

**Ezekiel 33** · 06-07-2021, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bookman

I get that. But some of us conservatives believe that to make a good president, the person must be honest, must not tell lies, must show discretion (not hot-tempered), and must be capable of appointing good men and women and then letting them do their job. Even in business one way of knowing if a person is a good leader is by how much turnover they have in employees. On that score alone, Trump fails. He micro-manages and does so carelessly.

For me, one of the most important factors is that he is one of the most patriotic Americans to serve in that office in decades. He actually loves America. And because of his stint in the oval office, the enemy is working overtime to make dirty the concepts of "American nationalism" and "Patriotism". Anyone who displays any inkling of being patriotic is painted as "right wing extremists". American nationalism is now painted as "White nationalism".

Satan absolutely hates America, just like he hates Israel. Why? Because both have been established by God. Our constitution was inspired by God, and only came into existence after prayer and fasting. That is why satan's minions (mostly Democrats) are working so hard to attack it.

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