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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan View Post
    According to his article, I am NOT in the Trump cult, but I did vote for him twice. I think he did a great job as President, but I think he could have been even better if he was able to focus more on the job he was doing and less worry about what people were saying about him. I think in the end, the tweeting and insults did him in. While I don't believe he was responsible for the "insurrection" at the Capitol, I do think he was guilty of "schadenfreude" towards the event. It was a bad look and will probably prevent him from having a positive impact on future elections. I think our best best is to not focus so much on "Democrat" or "Republican" but our values. This could involve a third or even fourth party in the future. While I think the Republican party more closely aligns with my values, there have been too many times I have had to hold my nose while pushing the lever.
    So you think Biden legally won the election because of Trump's tweets & comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Never really been big on Brown TBH . Always struck me as one of those Ben Sasse types sanctimoniously in love with his own voice.

    This article is full of strawmen i.e. defining a movement by its extremes and then proceeding to tear it down . Truth All political movements will always have rough edges and excesses
    I totally agree about his attitude. Politics aside, he comes across as very arrogant. He says some good things and is well spoken, but I can't handle the know it all attitude.

    I saw a change in Lee Grady too. Something is different about him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    He is the furthest thing from being liberal bro. He can read the writing on the wall, just like Daniel did.
    I'm not sure what compartment to put him in, but I think John described it best in his post here

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Never really been big on Brown TBH . Always struck me as one of those Ben Sasse types sanctimoniously in love with his own voice.

    This article is full of strawmen i.e. defining a movement by its extremes and then proceeding to tear it down . Truth All political movements will always have rough edges and excesses
    Unfortunately, I know a few Conservatives & a couple of Christians that fit many of those descriptions. But like you said, all movements have their excesses. I'll go further and say all movements have their kooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Trump has suffered more persecution than most Christians in the USA. He not only gets hatred from the left, but also from his own political party and from other Christians going out of their way to prove that they are not part of a "Trump cult".

    Trump is certainly a flawed man, but one would think that having fought for the rights of Christians more than any other political leader, he could be shown support and love without being labeled a cult leader or those who support him as "cult followers."

    I just do not understand people anymore.
    Very well put Troy. I have sat down with many black Christians and black fence sitters, and those of intelligence, and have shown them everything Trump did for the Church, Israel, minorities, and women. But it's like they're under a spell. One of my best friends of many years told me she's not reading all of that because "I'm not changing my mind." I could hardly believe it. smh

    I'm beginning to believe this is the beginning of the separation. Where families & loved ones, & friends are divided as Jesus prophesied. Satan has blinded their eyes, but in most cases, they allowed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    Very well put Troy. I have sat down with many black Christians and black fence sitters, and those of intelligence, and have shown them everything Trump did for the Church, Israel, minorities, and women. But it's like they're under a spell. One of my best friends of many years told me she's not reading all of that because "I'm not changing my mind." I could hardly believe it. smh

    I'm beginning to believe this is the beginning of the separation. Where families & loved ones, & friends are divided as Jesus prophesied. Satan has blinded their eyes, but in most cases, they allowed it.
    I've gone through much of the same thing. It seems that people don't like to be confused by the FACTS. I have wondered many times what happened to the fear of God and the desire to stand for truth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I've gone through much of the same thing. It seems that people don't like to be confused by the FACTS. I have wondered many times what happened to the fear of God and the desire to stand for truth?
    Have you heard of officer Tatum? Or Marcus Rogers? They both have huge followings.

    I met Rogers at a church convention in 2019

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    Have you heard of officer Tatum? Or Marcus Rogers? They both have huge followings.

    I met Rogers at a church convention in 2019
    I have listened to Officer Tatum a few times. Marcus Rogers' name sounds familiar but I don't believe I have ever listened to anything by him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I have listened to Officer Tatum a few times. Marcus Rogers' name sounds familiar but I don't believe I have ever listened to anything by him.
    Young guy in his 20s. Has almost a million followers. He comes against a lot of opposition, yet I'm surprised how many young people are following him

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    Another article that should be read along with the OP:

    It Is Time to Take Our Focus Off of Trump
    Michael BrownMichael Brown|Posted: Feb 16, 2021 9:32 AM

    I don't know what former President Trump's future may hold or what his political aspirations may be. But I do know this: I will not be focused on his every move. I will not be looking to him to revamp the Republican Party or save America. And while it is possible he will do much good for both his party and the nation in the days ahead, I suggest that we take our focus off Donald Trump. It is time to move on.

    Again, I'm neither discounting nor inviting another Trump run in 2024. Instead, my emphasis is on the word "focus."

    Trump has been at the center of many of our lives for the last five years, and not just politically.

    He has been the subject of many a family discussion (not to mention divided quite a few families, too). He has filled our news feeds. He has dominated our social media pages. He has flooded our TV screens.

    But elections are over. The impeachment trial has ended. Trump is not front and center in the news. Now is the perfect to move on. The spell of Trumpmania has been broken.

    There is life beyond Trump, politics beyond Trump, economic challenges beyond Trump, immigration issues beyond Trump, culture wars beyond Trump, international problems (and solutions) beyond Trump.

    And, from a spiritual standpoint, a thousand times over, there is life – and ministry and calling and service and all kinds of fruitful activity – beyond Trump.

    That's why I tweeted, "I don't know what former President Trump's future political plans are, and it's way too early to talk about 2024. But this much I can say for sure: the focus of my life is on the Second Coming of Christ, not the second coming of Trump. Only One has preeminence in my heart."

    To be clear, I do not claim to be a political pundit. My commentary on political issues is devoted to the intersection between politics, culture, morality, and spirituality.

    Others can offer sage advice on what is best for the future of the Republican Party. Others can envision what role for Trump is best.

    What I can say is that, from a spiritual perspective in particular, Trump has been a great distraction (and for that, I blame us, not him). Perhaps you're recognizing that now?

    In the past, as fellow-believers, we used to debate points of doctrine. Instead, for the last five years, we have debated Trump.

    Our social media pages were once filled with scripture citations and inspirational quotes. For the last five years, they have been filled with stories about Trump and the latest political news.

    And has any gospel issue held our attention and received our fervent prayers the way the last election did?

    Obviously, not everyone falls into these categories. I say "us" in a broad, generic way, not a comprehensive or exacting way.

    But the fact is that many of us did, in fact, lose our focus. We got off track. We allowed secondary and tertiary issues, however important they may be, to become the primary issues.

    Draining the swamp became more important than preaching the gospel.

    Winning the election became more important than winning the lost.


    It Is Time to Take Our Focus Off of Trump by Michael Brown

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