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    Is God a Moral Monster?

    Browsing the history of a blog I used to follow and found a link to this book.

    I downloaded a sample which I'll read this evening.

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    The answer of course will be "Of Course Not", because God is holy and righteous and just. But that doesn't mean that people who have problems with some of the holy, righteous and just things he does appreciate that (and sadder some call themselves "Christians"). Here's a bit of the text:

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    The extreme severity of God is something I wish more Christians would take a lot more seriously. For instance, many Christians will casually say, "God will send unbelievers to Hell," without really considering what that means, according to their own words. They say it cheerfully and blithely, almost as if people burning in flames and horrific torture without end, forever, is like "the sky is blue" or "the clouds are white."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    The extreme severity of God is something I wish more Christians would take a lot more seriously.
    I don't have a problem with God doing the severity part I just dislike that God gets blamed for evil when man does it and people say its God's plan.

    Do you accept a child being raped and murdered is God's plan for that child and their parents?

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    Do you accept a child being raped and murdered is God's plan for that child and their parents?
    Not sure if God pre-ordains every such case, but yes indeed I can believe that God plans many seemingly horrid things. The Holocaust, for instance, may have been the key reason the modern nation of Israel exists today.

    So, yes, it may be God's plan for a child to be murdered. Sound horrible? Yes. But many true things are horrible-sounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    So, yes, it may be God's plan for a child to be murdered. Sound horrible? Yes. But many true things are horrible-sounding.
    I can't even believe Christians actually believe like this. Mind boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    So, yes, it may be God's plan for a child to be murdered. Sound horrible? Yes. But many true things are horrible-sounding.
    You used the word 'may' - does that mean there are times God plans it and other times it isn't his plan.

    In our city we had a group of pedophiles that where sexually abusing a young girl - do you consider rape of children as part of God's plan

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    The following is yet a new and dark evil being perpetrated against children...


    Is this also the foreordained plan of God "to glorify Himself", according to calvinists view of God?


    These types of things are exactly what God is not as revealed perfectly through the person of His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ.

    Hebrews 1:1-4
    (1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
    (3) Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
    (4) Being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.


    John 14:8-9
    (8) Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
    (9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?



    Mark 10:13-16
    (13) And they brought young children to Him, that He should touch them: and His disciples rebuked those that brought them.
    (14) But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased, and said unto them,
    (15) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
    (16) And He took them up in His arms, put His hands upon them, and blessed them.






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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Let's look at God's command to King Saul, for instance (given through Samuel):

    "Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey (I Samuel 15).'""

    If it was God's express command that Saul should kill Amalekite children and babies, then why is it so hard to fathom that yes, maybe God does indeed predestine the murder of children and such horrid-sounding things? I mean, He even commanded murder of children at one point. So why would predestination of such things be off the table?

    If killing children and burning people in Hell forever is within God's character, what isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I can't even believe Christians actually believe like this. Mind boggling.
    This is an emotional-appeal argument. You're saying, "That's a horrid belief," but not offering up Scripture or evidence against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    This is an emotional-appeal argument. You're saying, "That's a horrid belief," but not offering up Scripture or evidence against it.
    You did worse by distorting the above King Saul scripture with terrible exegesis

    What if your 6 year old daughter or grand-daughter was repeatedly raped by 5 men and had her insides permanently damaged would you remain stoic and proclaim God gets much greatness from this evil.
    Try telling her that when she battles suicide and all sorts of life long suffering injuries.

    When people embrace a belief system without any godly exegesis and swallow the lot they also embrace the lies that go with it
    There are certain teachings in Calvinism that are total deception and from the pit of hell

    Almighty God gets no glory from the lies proclaimed in Calvinistic teaching no matter how many times Calvinists declare it - they are the ones deluded with their own emotional reasoning

    What is the difference between a Calvinist declaring God gets the glory and honor in the rape of children and Muslim radicals shouting - Allah Akbar God is great
    There is no difference - they are both deluded
    If God ordains everything then he has ordained Muslim radicals blowing up 100 people and shouting God is Great


    When did Jesus ever declare that children raped are God's perfect plan and will ???
    Calvinists don't know the difference between God declaring judgement will come and whether he ordains as his perfect will the rape of children - there is a big difference
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