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Originally Posted by
John
He kind of muddies up his apology with this attitude..
>>he may have shifted from offense to defense.
Sounds the opposite.
The brother could have just said "I understand the anger". Time is needed to sort all of this out.
Never mind that he hopped right back on the horse, prophesying to the saints minutes after his apology, I would expect any minister to take a step back in these circumstances and reflect/reconnect with the Head.
He left the battle to stand in faith in what he clearly and undoubtable experienced to defending himself for leaving the battle. I do not know how he responded to negative responses to his original position, but I am certain he had them. Perhaps then he saw them as evidence of standing in faith...To stand in faith takes courage and a strong stance against all opposition. Once he surrender that he shifted to self defense. Bot have to fight but have very different objectives. REminds me of a meme I saw not long ago...choose your hard...
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Originally Posted by
Romans828
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It reminds me of the same "Messiah-like" attitude towards President Obama a few years ago.
That is human nature and it does not matter who the object is...some idolize stars, sports figures, entertainers....they cannot be the barometer. That is why I say he left offense and went on defense. He left the real battle and went on offense of a fringe group of either immature Christians or tares. That is something pastors should have been addressing within their churches...teaching. It was not THE battle though. Just as with Obama certainly that was there but the REAL issue was always how and where he was leading.
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Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
I believe JJ just set an example for the whole church to follow. I would stand beside this brother any day and lift up his hands while the battle rages on.
JJ saw it coming late last summer when he took a month break out of the limelight.
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Originally Posted by
John
He kind of muddies up his apology with this attitude..
The brother could have just said "I understand the anger". Time is needed to sort all of this out.
Never mind that he hopped right back on the horse, prophesying to the saints minutes after his apology, I would expect any minister to take a step back in these circumstances and reflect/reconnect with the Head.
Like John I saw some inconsistencies with JJ's apology - Please just apologize without the explanations, justifications and statements of what you believe God is now doing
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Originally Posted by
Quest
I recall the Lord spoke to me, I think in 2019, saying stay humble and be willing to embrace those who may be wrong. I wonder if you (and I do) believe He is speaking of mocking people disagreed with...Can I imagine, let's say, Nancy Pelosi, at the foot of a cross I am on and genuinely pray Father forgive her for she knows not what she does' we need to seek God to change us so we can....as you once said, I think it was you, that forgiveness just let's people off OUR hook. The cross/prayer is a good litmus test to practice regularly.
I hear you! It's been a season of learning not to wrestle with people, but the demonic spirits behind them... that's our warfare.
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Originally Posted by
Quest
That is human nature and it does not matter who the object is...some idolize stars, sports figures, entertainers....they cannot be the barometer. That is why I say he left offense and went on defense. He left the real battle and went on offense of a fringe group of either immature Christians or tares. That is something pastors should have been addressing within their churches...teaching. It was not THE battle though. Just as with Obama certainly that was there but the REAL issue was always how and where he was leading.
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Originally Posted by
Quest
He left the battle to stand in faith in what he clearly and undoubtable experienced to defending himself for leaving the battle. I do not know how he responded to negative responses to his original position, but I am certain he had them. Perhaps then he saw them as evidence of standing in faith...To stand in faith takes courage and a strong stance against all opposition. Once he surrender that he shifted to self defense. Bot have to fight but have very different objectives. REminds me of a meme I saw not long ago...choose your hard...
He cannot deny reality. If a person dies then the belief for a healing has stopped. Trump has lost. Those are the true circumstances and any denial of them is not faith at all. Let the funeral begin so healing can take place..
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Originally Posted by
Quest
That is human nature and it does not matter who the object is...some idolize stars, sports figures, entertainers....they cannot be the barometer. That is why I say he left offense and went on defense. He left the real battle and went on offense of a fringe group of either immature Christians or tares. That is something pastors should have been addressing within their churches...teaching. It was not THE battle though. Just as with Obama certainly that was there but the REAL issue was always how and where he was leading.
Nah, I think he actually realized that he had made a mistake. There were 3 things in his dream/vision and 2 of them had come to pass. He mistakenly assumed that this meant that the 3rd would also come true. I think his earlier dream of Trump acting like Nebuchadnezzar is actually what has happened.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
Like John I saw some inconsistencies with JJ's apology - Please just apologize without the explanations, justifications and statements of what you believe God is now doing
I thought it was great. By looking at the process he went through, we can all learn. We can all get a good glimpse into prophecy and how it works by studying this. You can see the exact point where he went wrong. I am sure that he will never make the same mistake again.
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Originally Posted by
LionHeart
He cannot deny reality. If a person dies then the belief for a healing has stopped. Trump has lost. Those are the true circumstances and any denial of them is not faith at all. Let the funeral begin so healing can take place..
Really? I wonder how many the Spirit wanted raised from the dead but the Christians realists got in the way? When did we stop believing in the God of the impossible? Sad..
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