Thread: Lack of accountability for false prophets

Originally Posted by LionHeart

"the Christian scriptures are the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice". But they deny this every week by forbidding God freedom to move in the Gifts of the Spirit in His Church.

Hear, Hear. The scourge of Cessationism upon the Church has kept her in unbelief for centuries.

Originally Posted by LionHeart

"the Christian scriptures are the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice". But they deny this every week by forbidding God freedom to move in the Gifts of the Spirit in His Church.

Originally Posted by FireBrand

Hear, Hear. The scourge of Cessationism upon the Church has kept her in unbelief for centuries.

Bingo. What you said above LionHeart is a logical conclusion of some of the arguments against these things in the church. Of course they don't see it that way, but it's exactly what is happening.

Originally Posted by LionHeart

"the Christian scriptures are the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice". But they deny this every week by forbidding God freedom to move in the Gifts of the Spirit in His Church.

Originally Posted by FireBrand

Hear, Hear. The scourge of Cessationism upon the Church has kept her in unbelief for centuries.

Bingo. What you said above LionHeart is a logical conclusion of some of the arguments against these things in the church. Of course they don't see it that way, but it's exactly what is happening.

What they hold to in theory they deny practically speaking.

Originally Posted by Colonel

The NT prophet doesn't speak authoratively in this sense, the receiver is left to judge according to the personal testimony of the Holy Spirit, not only according to scriptural merit (where that is possible).

Where in Scripture do you get that from? And how is a brand new Christian meant to judge things "according to the personal testimony of the Holy Spirit"?

Originally Posted by MercyandFaith

Regardless of one's theological stance, untrue prophecy is something we ought to be able to unanimously agree is wrong and causes damage.

You may have a hard time getting agreement on that I'm afraid.

Disclaimer: I was brought up RCC then saved in a Charismatic Tent Meeting at age 22. I am not a cessationist.

Until I was 22 I basically believed what the RCC had taught me.
When I got saved I thought "wow, these are real Christians, this is what Christianity is meant to be like" so I believed what they taught me. Then I went to a different brand church while on holidays.

Anyway, how many of you accept things simply because that's what you were taught? What I'm really asking is how many of you have actually studied why people are cessationists, and understand their Biblical reasoning behind their views? (I said "their" reasoning, I didn't say you'd agree with it) See, as the writer of Proverbs says, "The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him." And as I said, I thought that all Christian Churches were like the one I was saved in. Then I had to visit a Pentecostal Church for a while (4 Square) and the only time I saw a guitar was at a wedding.

Having not done much study on the subject myself I did a quick DDG and found this link: A Brief History of Cessationism Trouble is I read this

I wrote about this problem in a 2006 article [JSTOR subscription] concerning the healing of a woman named Mercy Wheeler during the Great Awakening of the 1740s. Wheeler had been unable to walk for years because of a childhood ailment, but during a revival meeting she came to believe that Jesus intended to heal her. Suddenly she was able to walk, and she apparently retained this ability for many decades afterward. (highlighting mine)

Sorry, I don't see that in the Bible. That's not good enough for me.

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

Disclaimer: I was brought up RCC then saved in a Charismatic Tent Meeting at age 22. I am not a cessationist.

Until I was 22 I basically believed what the RCC had taught me.
When I got saved I thought "wow, these are real Christians, this is what Christianity is meant to be like" so I believed what they taught me. Then I went to a different brand church while on holidays.

Anyway, how many of you accept things simply because that's what you were taught? What I'm really asking is how many of you have actually studied why people are cessationists, and understand their Biblical reasoning behind their views? (I said "their" reasoning, I didn't say you'd agree with it) See, as the writer of Proverbs says, "The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him." And as I said, I thought that all Christian Churches were like the one I was saved in. Then I had to visit a Pentecostal Church for a while (4 Square) and the only time I saw a guitar was at a wedding.

Having not done much study on the subject myself I did a quick DDG and found this link: A Brief History of Cessationism Trouble is I read this

Sorry, I don't see that in the Bible. That's not good enough for me.

As a believer and preacher I cannot afford to just believe what a church believes. In regard to cessationism? Miracles have wrecked that for me. Visions? I saw Jesus when I was 4, tell him they aren't for today. At 10yrs old my friend died on the operating table 3 times and revived as I wept and prayed for him during the night. Through the years, that dynamic has exponentially increased. In regard to signs, wonders and miracles vs cessationism it's not even a ballgame.

Originally Posted by MercyandFaith

What should be the appropriate response of Christians when prophecies made by people such as Kerr, Shamp, Goulet, etc. do not come true? (all of those - and several others beside - had prophesied a Trump victory over Biden.) Shamp, in particular, claimed two years ago that God had revealed to him that the Republican Party would keep the House and gain 9 Senate seats in the 2018 midterms, and that did not happen either.

In Deuteronomy, it is clearly stated that if a prophecy fails to come to pass, that the prophet is a false prophet. Yet Kerr, Shamp, etc. still retain a sizable following.

What should be done?

The election isnt over yet though so ..

Originally Posted by BAP

The election isnt over yet though so ..

According to a professor on fox news all the states that Biden flipped had people vote by paper ballot. Which means that the electronic fraud matter should be quite straightforward to resolve.