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Thread: Oct 31 is Reformation Day. Do you understand it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    The trouble with just "reading" Scripture TT is context. So many times people quote out of it. E.G. This week a group starts a discussion of 1 John. One of the things he is addressing according to commentaries is Gnosticism. If you don't know that, and what it is, then you may (will) misunderstand 1 John.

    The same goes everywhere. Which is why God gave us teachers.

    I actually agree with the above

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    There are many teachers and everyone chooses to believe their views. Even Commentaries by respectable theologians can disagree
    There are also Reformed and non Reformed teachers.

    Everyone has to read the scriptures with a open heart, ask the Holy Spirit to interpret as well as read what other teachers say and come up with a conclusion
    Nothing Reformed teachers have said have swayed me as they contradict too many other verses.

    Respectable Non Reformed teachers make a far better argument and more closely exegete the Word


    The issue arises because you don't accept that millions of believers reject the exegesis of Reformed Doctrine. You then tell everyone they are wrong and what you believe is right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    All I see in this thread is how infatuated you are with the nuances of Calvinist doctrine. It's just "what scratches the intellectual ear".
    I started this thread Colonel simply to find out if people had any idea of what the Reformation was about, nothing else.

    Pre the Reformation the RCC has the papacy, made up and with no valid Biblical support just like so many other things, e.g.
    The "sacrifice" of the mass
    Transubstantiation
    Confession
    Penance
    Purgatory
    Praying to the dead
    Praying for the dead
    Declaring people "saints"
    Claiming papal "infallibility"
    Their attitude to Mary
    Mary's "assumption"
    Every so called "vision" of Mary or one of the "saints"
    Baptismal regeneration
    Indulgences
    Mortal and venial sins
    And I'm guessing a lot more. (that's from something I put on FB last week because someone claiming to be a Christian was saying that the papacy is Biblical)

    The Reformed Doctrine that was put in writing because of the Remonstrance simply mirrored what was (and is) "the ecumenical understanding of holy Scripture" (REF). But people haven't, and still don't like it, as this quote (if true) indicates

    Oct 31 is Reformation Day. Do you understand it?-capture-jpg
    (from Just a moment...)

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    Then the anabaptists came up with the non-catholic idea that one should baptize professing believers, and Luther the not-so-non-catholic went ahead and persecuted them.

    The Reformation was a process and sometimes it went too far (Calvinism), some times it didn't go far enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Everyone has to read the scriptures with a open heart, ask the Holy Spirit to interpret as well as read what other teachers say and come up with a conclusion
    Nothing Reformed teachers have said have swayed me as they contradict too many other verses.

    Respectable Non Reformed teachers make a far better argument and more closely exegete the Word
    One of the interesting things about the way God made us TT is that we like things that we agree with and find it difficult to hear or read things we disagree with. So not being swayed is perfectly understandable. It potentially takes a Oct 31 is Reformation Day. Do you understand it?-capture-jpg moment to change.

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